Upcoming model from GreMir Models

Discussion in 'Ship & Watercraft Models' started by shoki2000, Oct 27, 2004.

  1. shoki2000

    shoki2000 Active Member

    Ok everybody.
    Here is first picture of the new model (available as soon as the build is completed) from GreMir.
    Cardfan was gracious enough to volunteer for the build but I asked him not to give out any info about the ship.
    Here is the question - What is it?
    First person to correctly guess class and nationality will get 25% off the model price (that should be fairly easy). First person to guess the name of the ship, gets it for free - I know, it is way to early for any guesses :D

    One hint - it is not any of the ships I mentioned elsewhere :twisted:
  2. Ashrunner

    Ashrunner Member

    Since I don't know nothing 'bout ships and boats, I will say the same thing two weeks from now as I say now. The U.S.S. Indianapolis.
  3. Brent

    Brent New Member

    My guess, IJN Matsu.

  4. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    From the apparent size of the frame the ship looks as if it would be around 350 ft. There was supposed to be an RN ship model from Gremir before a possible IJN ship.

    The straight stem (bow?) and flat foredeck looks like a Hunt or Tribal class destroyer. The Hunts were smaller (about 280 ft) but the Tribals are in the ball park (377 ft). About the most famous Tribal class was HMS Cossack - (my guess).

    But then what I know about ships could be written large on the head of a pin.


  5. shoki2000

    shoki2000 Active Member

    As stated earlier....
    However, it is a Royal Navy destroyer so Charlie receives the discount :D
  6. Maurice

    Maurice Member

    HMS Garland
  7. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    Mmm... G & H class is a possibility - 323 feet long is in the ball park of the
    estimated length. From the frames it looks like there's a noticeable flare (is that what you call it?) aft of the bow which was a characteristic of this class.
    The bow of the G class looks a better fit to the frames of the model.

    Maurice thought the Garland - notable for serving in 3 navies (RN, Polish and Dutch). My updated guess, if it's a G-class and a famous ship, would be HMS Glowworm. Sunk in 1940 after attacking then ramming the Admiral von Hipper off Norway - the Captain of the Admiral von Hipper recommended the Glowworm's Captain for a Victoria Cross.


  8. Maurice

    Maurice Member


    Well from that grotty little photo ( :lol: ) the proportion of focsle length to loa would be right for just about anything from V&W to H.
    I notice that the frames seem to make provision for asdic/sonar.
    I just stuck a pin with a Polish accent into the list. :oops:
    Now a WAIR V&W to go with their upcoming Hunt Type II would be even better.
    Have to see what Michael says.

  9. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    River class?

    Tim P
  10. jrts

    jrts Active Member

    Hi all

    well I can't see it being a Tribal as the bow is not raked enough as in the 1935 and 1936 programmes!

    My guess would be either a H class or a I class, the I class beind a repeat of the H class except for the bridge structure.

    All that aside my guess would be: -

    HMS Hardy ( Capt Warburton-Lee) Of the Narvik encounter, just a guess

  11. DN

    DN Member

    Can't say what it is, but do I see a rectangular opening at the bottom of the bow, somewhere close to the bulkhead #4? Sonar location :?
  12. DN

    DN Member

    oops, I see that Maurice have already noticed this :oops:
    My guess - N class
  13. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    I can hear some smart-alec saying " They all look the same to me...."

    Tim P

    PS Whatever, I want one! I just bought a Saumarez too, so advertising and promotions do work!!
  14. Maurice

    Maurice Member

    This would be understandable.
    The basic hull shape was established in the V&W class and only incrementally changed and slightly enlarged through the inter-war A to I.
    The JKN hull was larger and the Tribals even larger with a better bow shape.
    The War Emergency classes O to R used what was basically the JKN hull and from S on to Z and C they used the Tribal bow. The transom stern was very late in coming as was longitudinal framing and welding.
    The Battles got even bigger and the Weapons were an attempt to minimise on size.
    So at this stage we have no way of identification, Michael is quite right, and his money is safe.
    So is mine, for previously stated reasons.

    Savage was the same as the others in the S class except that the single A and B mounts were replaced by an experimental fully enclosed twin 4.5" mount intended for the Battle class.


    Oh, and L and M fit in there as enlargements of the JKN, slightly heavier than the Tribals because of their enclosed 2x4.7" limited HA (70 deg) mounts, and too extravagant for continued wartime production.
  15. rickstef

    rickstef Guest

    that smart alec would be me

    they DO all look the same

  16. Maurice

    Maurice Member

    As promised.

    I understand.

  17. shoki2000

    shoki2000 Active Member


    Charlie - you sure you don't know anything about the ships?!!!!!!!!!

    It is in fact HMS Glowworm and Charlie will receive first serial CD with the model :D

    I am amazed that you were able to identufy the ship just after one photo of the frame - have to do it much tougher next time 8)

  18. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    I really know very little about ships. Maurice put me on the right track since
    he does know about ships. Getting the right ship from the class was just dumb luck (and a bit of research)

    If I could make a suggestion - don't photograph on your cutting mat - it wasn't hard to figure out the approximate length from the cutting mat markings and this pruned the search tree very dramatically.


  19. shoki2000

    shoki2000 Active Member

    In this case, maurice deserves proper credit. Since Charlie receives free model as the winner, he doesn't need the 50% discount 8)

    Maurice - the 50% discount is yours :D
  20. barry

    barry Active Member

    Great can we have a Tribal class next time then ?


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