hey all, just wanted to throw my situation out there and see if anyone has any suggested track plans or ideas, i will give some info to let you know but no doubt ill leave some important things out so please feel free to ask for any info that could help you give educated answers for me i intend on using this thread throughout my whole process from here in so ill give the full run down on what im doing and ask all questions relating to my project in here to make it easy for myself okay, I am currently in the process of reinforcing my garage roof at the moment, i am building an open grid frame that will be roughly 14 feet long and 10 feet wide for my layout ( i say roughly because in this planning stage i have a little room all around these dimensions that i can add abit or take abit out to suit whichever plan i end up going with) the open grid frame will be made from 3 x 2 inch radiata pine which i have ready to go in the garage as well 15 sheets of 3/4 inch plywood that i want to use for the "cookie cutter" method which im just workin out now.i also have two homemade winches that i have mounted to the wall to lift the layout via wire rope. i will be building the layout in HO scale I will be using an NCE powercab DCC system. (room for expansion later when layout requires it. i want to be able to run multiple trains in different directions, i was hoping for a double mainline. i want multiple levels of track, as in, some low in the valleys ,some foot of the mountains and some winding up into them.. i want longest coal and freight trains i can fit winding slowly through pine forrests and into tunnels over bridges.. maybe a couple of branchlines? depending on what will fit in this space but say a logging place away from town ... I know i want alot im just trying to give ppl good info to get some idea of what im looking for and i probably wont get everything i want but i can try im new to this prototype research stuff but i know im keen on an area in canada called Lytton and the siska bridges. i would like to make my railroad look similar to these areas eg the flowing river ,bridges crossing the river in several places etc and the town on the banks of the river with a station by waters edge possibly and a medium/small yard for a little switching .. okay i better wrap this up for now as its 3 am in sydney and i have work in 4 hours one more question before i go is that the only reason i have not built my base frame is because im thinkin that i should decide on a layout first and then i can build wherever the aisles can fit ??? normally ppl will say this is my bench shape can you build me a layout to fit but i didn't want to restrict what can be done with the overall area so i figured if you guys had max dimensions a plan could be tossed up and once refined i could build my frame to suit as long as it came within the maximum dimensions... in saying that i love steves-nazgul's layout this is the look im going for and think the E shaped layout like his is the way to go for me.. i dont want to crawl under into the middle of the isalnd. oh crap im rambling now i better head off to bed... grrr im frustrated im stuck and dont know best way to move ahead, thanks for listening to this and any ideas or sketches would be awesome also ill post pictures of lytton 2morrow.