Post WW2 + Cold War

Discussion in 'Armory & Military' started by Fishcarver, Mar 20, 2009.

  1. paperpanzer

    paperpanzer Member

    After ramatoto's comment

    "Many of the private constructors have also problems with the shape of the tanks from this age...most tank turrets look like round sucked toffees"

    I'll never be able to look at a T-54/5, T62 or T-72 without laughing sign1

    Thank you for all your words of support jagolden, I do want to stay with WW1 models for a while but I've got a couple of prototype WWII models that I will release for people to have alook at.

    I think papastumpy has a good point WWII was a huge event that it will always interest model makers and designers for generations to come.

    Getting back to the posts subject, a web sit I would like to draw your attention to is :-
    It has some wonderful examples of post war AFV's

    If I could have a model design for all of the different AFV featured I'd be a very happy man (I'd need a thousand life times to do it but I'd be happy)

    The Chieftan in Berlin urban camouflage is just begging to be done

    as well Australian AFV's and loads of T62 / T72's...
  2. ramatoto

    ramatoto Member

    Here are three Beta-Builds, MT-LB and Tatra 805 are ready, BAV 485 80%....

    And i have to write building instructions....i hate this most....

    The models are 1:50, printed on coloured 160g/qm cardboard.

    Attached Files:

  3. jagolden

    jagolden Guest

    Thanks. The Canadian link is great.

    I don't LIKE the pattern on the Chieftan camouflage, but it IS effective. Very disruptive.
  4. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    Yahoo!! Civilized Discussion!!

    Folks: This is/has been/can be a and very civilized discussion as well!

  5. jagolden

    jagolden Guest

    Nothing abrasive here, Lad:

    I never intended to start a big BEEF here. However, All I'd like to see is some post-Cold -War Eastern-Euorpean stuff here.........

    Can you elucidate? I don't recall seeing anything abrasive in this thread.
  6. chevygod

    chevygod New Member

    Don't post much, but found this thread interesting.

    I come from the dreaded land of plastic... If it ain't a Tiger, or T-34, or standard Mid-Sherman, you won't find it unless it is scratchbuilt by you or resin and expensive. Modern stuff? WW-1 stuf? Even less selection... I remember how happy people were about a new US halftrack model a few years back.

    Papermodeling, on the other hand, has so, so many different and weird and wonderful models available, WW-1 and -2, Cold War, early and late Modern, stuff that was a protptype, and stuff that never even made it off of the drawing board. Artillery, transport, armor (monster Russian stuff and armored rail!), armored cars (incredible number or these!), just an amazing selection. No tooling like in a molded model, just a designer and a printer. Not saying it isn't complex, designing this stuff is, but someone can look at a picture in a book and say, "yeah, I'm gonna make THAT." So you get much more diversity and variety to build.

    And you can scale them up or down, too!

    Be thankful there is much so more in paper than the plastic troops have...

  7. zachy

    zachy New Member

    I agree with chevygod. I started building papermodels when I was about 10 because my uncle in Koln sent me some as a present. It took along time to build and there was no one in Galveston Texas that had any information to help. The best idea the hobby shop owner had was to use Testers' green glue for wood to assemble them. I built plastic in the sixtys and seventys and Radio control in the eightys and nintys. Found out about papermodels and downloadable models from the internet in the late nintys. Paper models have grown to heights undreamed of since the internet. Every thing you've ever had the whim to own, anything you've seen is available or will be soon. Just following this Forum and Papermodelers along with some internet stores has given me more models than I can build. I've already infected my son and grandchildren and am making conversions at work. These models can be designed with cad and a paint program. There is no 25,000 dollar machine nor 10,000 dollar die to make them and a simple website can market them. I am a happy man (easily entertained) since I found papermodeling.
  8. paperpanzer

    paperpanzer Member

    It's nice to have a couple more converts to the medium of paper. I came from a wargaming background - plastic, resin and white metal. All have become far too expensive to buy large amounts of models, paper is a low cost medium if slightly limited in choice...

    In paper I've made all sorts of models - Cats, birds, fire engines and sci-fi models. There is a HUGE amount of models to buy or download but there are always gaps..

    Post war and modern AFV's could have a better coverage than they currently do (In 1/72 scale No centurion, No chieftain, No BMP1 or 2 No BMD No Fv432 I could go on) but I would hope that this gap on the market would give rise to private designers with a passion for AFV's from this period in time.

    Looking at the photo of ramatoto’s MT-LB :thumb: I don’t think there will be much of a gap for long.
  9. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    No Beef intended! Only Healthy Discussion!!

    ..aimed at the best of model designers!!

    One of the best card models, IHO, was the MOELIK BRDM2.
    Maybe time to change the scale?

    Most modelers work in 1:35.

    What think ye?

  10. jagolden

    jagolden Guest

    Rather a broad statement. If they do, it's only because it was so popularized in quality plastic armor models.

    This is paper. 1:25 seems to be what most modelers work with for armour because that is the popular published paper scale. Other paper model genres use other scales popular to that genre. As pointed out, these models are cheap to publish relative to producing plastic kits.

    Publish them all 1:16. That's a worthwhile armor size.
    1:16 looks fine scaled down to 1:35, but it's not the same for the reverse when you're talking commercial printed models.
  11. paperpanzer

    paperpanzer Member

    There’s nothing wrong with a good healthy discussion, I’m all for it.

    That’s another joy of card/paper modelling all the modellers that I’ve met through the forums or that replied to my website have all been a joy to talk to and are always willing to help or give advice. There seem to be no rivet counters or very few, there appears to be no malice or politics, we all share a common joy in our shared hobby.

    1/35 is a little big for me, I just don’t have the space in my 2 up 2 down with 2 dogs and 3 cats. But the larger scales are where paper models really can shine. The 1/16 tanks from GPM look fantastic… if only I had the time, space or skill.
  12. DavidESP

    DavidESP Member

    My preference is 1:25 or 1:16 scale, I have the GPM Panzer III in 1:16 and it is really fantastic and I hope to start it soon. Nobi's 1:35 scale Cromwell was my first tank and it was a nice build with some great possibilities, but as a said before, I enjoy the larger scale models.

    If you like the smaller scale stuff, Cold War and modern check out He has quite a few in 1:43 scale such as M1A1 and M1A2 Abrams, T-64 and T-90, Challenger 2, Leclerc and the Leopard.

  13. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    The Scale Debate (Armour)

    1:25 is basically 3 x 1:72.

    1: 35 is basically 2 x 1: 72

    Make a couple of scale drawings. See for yourself.

    My personal feeling that nothing adds more life to a model but a couple of figures or so.

    I do not care whatever scale that card armour models are built in. We need figures in all scales, that's all!! (1:25 thru 1:72)

    Aircraft (Built in 1:33) already have their 1:32--1:35 figures to accompany them .

  14. jgderuvo

    jgderuvo Member

    Those who do not learn from history ... are forever doomed to repeat it.

  15. David H

    David H Member

    ... Yes but isn't there something just a tiny bit odd about building yet more Tigers, Panthers and half-tracks?

  16. Art Decko

    Art Decko Member

    There is surely truth in that, yet, there is also great danger in "preparing to fight the last war". The threats we face these days don't seem to much resemble the Third Reich or Imperial Japan (or the USSR for that matter).
  17. BCA

    BCA New Member

    I'm building the old GPM Sherman Firefly. I'm adding alot of detail to the kit - I used white glue and tissue/paper towel to create a "cast" effect to the turret. I'm doing an actual paint with acrylics on it. Does anyone know if the Canadians used the Firefly in their push on the northern end of the Allied front? I'm doing the same type of build with the MM T-72.
    I do agree - there are plenty of armor subjects besides '37-'45. Korea and VietNam era was skipped right over - or for that matter the M-47 that was used by India and Pakistan. Neither Korea or VietNam was big in the armor battle dept - but the M-46/48/60 Pattons or an odd-ball like the USMC M-103, and some of the WWII stuff that was used in Korea, as well as the Soviet armor that was used by N. Korea and N. VietNam in their markings would be interesting. The Isreali and Egyptians had some interesting variations on the armor they acquired.
  18. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    Build What You Want, The Way You Want It!!

    Whoa, guys! AND THANKS FOR THE INPUT!!

    I hope the model designers out there got the message!!

    Do what you love and know how to do best! Research it well!! Do your best. Let every model teach you something!

    When I was in my figure modeling days, I did Brit -Victorian because everybody in my club was doing everything else.(mostly WW2 or Napoleonic). Yes, I got a few awards. But racking up points is not what this hobby is about, right?

    Thank you to everyone who contributed to this post.

    I have the greatest respect for each and every one of the participants to this forum.

    Your friend
  19. paperpanzer

    paperpanzer Member

    Loud and vey clear :thumb:

    From Flers to Gaza "Vive la Difference", and the more the merrier. The overriding message of the thread seems to be there is an interest in the whole history of AFV's and not just a specific six years.
  20. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    Paperpanzer and Group!

    Thanks for the support!


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