I thot I would type in a thank you note to all of you for you tips, answers to my silly questions and for just being such nice folks in general. I know that some of you have given most excellent tips and answers that have gone on unthanked because I read the whole thread and forget to say thanks for the earlier posts. So I'm sayin' it rat now! This will get worst with the increased traffic. If I ever ignore one of you or owe you something or don't answer you, please repost, PM, or e-mail me. I have my e-mail listed and messaging is on. Also I know I am sometimes gender specific when I don't mean to be, as many of us are, and I do not wish to offend they ladies or leave them out. Most of the ladies here can model circles around my thumby hands! You're a great bunch. I'm happy to know you and I will be a better modeler for what I have learned here. The first layout I do as an adult (I almost said my first adult layout ), will probably be an almost professional grade and will surely lack many pittfalls I would have otherwise encountered. This is truely a University. I hope to one day repay my debt. Until then, maybe I can just come up with a sequil to The Box, Paulsen strikes again! I'm gettin' all choked up. Almost moist. I'm gunna go take a double dose of my meds and take the wifey out fer a bite.