Discussion in 'N / Z Scale Model Trains' started by pupparo, Mar 24, 2003.

  1. pupparo

    pupparo Member

    Trying to save a few bucks I went with Elmers glue to make my lake. ( EZ water 15 dollars a bottle times five is 75 dollars Elmers glue 10 dollars for a gallon) The problem I am having it is turning cloudy any thoughts on this problem? I am mixing it fifty fifty
  2. Ralph

    Ralph's for fun!

    Interesting idea but I don't think there's a way to make Elmer's dry clear despite diluting. I also wonder about shrinkage or cracking when it dries. I like to make water with acrylic gloss medium...a large bottle costs about $16 or so. It requires several applications to make it look deep and "wet" but I like the effect.

    Here's a picture cropped to show part of a river on my layout. Not a great pic but maybe it conveys the idea.


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  3. Drew1125

    Drew1125 Active Member

    Hi pupparo!
    Man, I hate to rain on your parade, but Elmers aint gonna work...why? Because it dries flat, or with a "matte" finish.
    For representing water, you want something that will dry with a "gloss" finish. Yoyu want it to be shiny, so it will actualy look "wet".
    There are many different materials that will give you this "wet" look...varnishes, epoxies, clear silicone caulk, & now Woodland Scenics has a whole line of "Water Effects". (you mentioned EZ Water...I believe these are the little plastic pellets that you melt...I would advise anyone to avoud these...I tried them...they were a nightmare!:rolleyes: :mad: :eek: )
    What I've discovered that I really DO like is Liquitex Gloss Medium...(you can find this in stores that carry artists' supplies)...
    This is an acrylic varnish, that you brush on one coat at a time, as many coats as you like...It does cost about $15 a bottle, but a bottle goes a long way, especially if you're modeling in N scale.
  4. Drew1125

    Drew1125 Active Member

    Here's a picture of some water I modeled with the gloss medium...

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  5. Tyson Rayles

    Tyson Rayles Active Member

    Have to agree with everything Charlie said.
  6. ezdays

    ezdays Out AZ way


    How thick is that gloss medium, and how may coats did you use on the water in your picture? How about what's under the water, is it painted or a sheet of acrylic or what?

    I've been shopping around to see what's available and I did find two-part casting resin at Michael's for about $15 a quart plus about $4 for the catalyst, Home Depot has something in their paint dept that includes the catalyst for about $15, and JoAnne's has something I think was called "synthetic water", again, about $15 for a large bottle. It is a one part and takes overnight to dry. They had an example at the store where they poured about three inches in a glass and put a fake flower in it and it dried crystal clear without any cracks. And if you're really frugal, both Michael's and JoAnne's occasionally run ads on Sunday where they have coupons that allow you to buy one item for 40 or 50% off.:)

  7. bamacsx

    bamacsx New Member

    I used 'Future' floor wax for my river and it turned out quite well. Every thing on 'floor' of lake or river must be dry or will cloud. Pour in several small layers, watch for leaks.
  8. ezdays

    ezdays Out AZ way

    Does the wax wind up hard after a while or does it just kinda stay soft?

    What about clear gloss polyurathane? Has anyone used it with any sucess? I've got the best part of a gallon sitting on the shelf with nothing to do.:D

  9. bamacsx

    bamacsx New Member

    EZ Days
    The 'Future' drys fairly hard after a period of time. It will go thru transitions as it drys. At one time in the process it became real wrinkled looking but is as smooth as glass now.
  10. ezdays

    ezdays Out AZ way


    Thanks, and welcome to The Gauge. That transition period is kinda scarey, not knowing whether it will smooth out. I'm impressed with the number of different ways to achieve the same results.:)

    D:cool: N
  11. Drew1125

    Drew1125 Active Member

    Hi Don,
    The gloss medium in the picture above was brushed on in about 4 or 5 heavy coats...I'd say it's in the neighborhood of 1/16" thick...this is time consuming, because you have to wait for each coat to dry at least several hours.
    To model the stream bed, I poured soupy plaster, to get a smooth surface, After the plaster hsd dried, I painted it flat black, & then dry-brushed the bank areas with Polly Scale Dirt, feathering it toward the middle. The effect is (hopefully) that the bank appears to slope down toward the deeper, middle of the stream.
  12. wolfworks

    wolfworks New Member

    For lakes or deep water that you want to see as depp water, I use evirotek (however it is spelled);) You can get really nice calm water with this and with a little work you can tease the surface for waves and what not. It costs about $10 for a kit and does quit a bit of area. You use it by pouring layer of no more than 1/8" but you can't get the same with gloss meduim.
    Now dont get me wrong, I use gloss meduim on my streams, rivers, and run offs, just where ever there is a pool, pond, lake and so on I use the envirotek stuff.
    A combination of the two works great.
  13. Drew1125

    Drew1125 Active Member

    Hi wolfwerks!
    Welcome to The Gauge!

    You're right...Enviro-Tex is a great material for modeling water.
    One thing I've learned is that what's even more important than what type of "water" you use, is effectively modeling & painting the base, or "bottom" of the lake, stream, pond, etc...

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