Alco PA nose plan

Discussion in 'FAQs' started by TrainNut, Nov 14, 2007.

  1. TrainNut

    TrainNut Ditat Deus

    What's in the nose of an Alco PA?:confused: If you say, boogers, I'm not buyin' it.:p It seems that there is enough room up there for a small apartment.:eek: Does anyody have any technical drawings or floor plans for this model that show that area?
  2. falconp51

    falconp51 New Member

    I was told that there is a toilet in that area of the Cab.
  3. nachoman

    nachoman Guest

    my brother works for for Grand Canyon railway, and they have FAs (similar to a PA with 4 axles). I can ask him where the commode is.

  4. CNWman

    CNWman CNW Fan

  5. TrainNut

    TrainNut Ditat Deus

    What version are you learning? I started in CAD when it was version 12. Currently, I'm using version 2004 LT. That's 9 years of drafting for a civil engineer, a structural engineer, an architectural designer, and military planning. My dream was always to become an architect till I found out what a pain the neck clients can be. What are you going to apply CAD to? I did find a site quite a while ago that had a lot of overhead and elevation views of locomotives but I do not think they had floor plans.
  6. TrainNut

    TrainNut Ditat Deus

    I found the drawings... or two of them anyways. On the drawing it is labeled as being created by cadvance. I'll try and search later. For now, here's a cad jpg of a big boy... I digress...
  7. CNWman

    CNWman CNW Fan

    It's the student version, 10.1 I think. What's the link to the site? I'm game for any complicated drawing, for I'm supposed to draw some because I'm the head of my class (no joke, I've already done what the rest of my class is doing three weeks ago)
  8. TrainNut

    TrainNut Ditat Deus

    Lotsa good dwg's here...
    Seeing as how Cadd can be used for pretty much anything, what in particular are you using (or plan on using) it for?
  9. CNWman

    CNWman CNW Fan

    Well, the short term is to pass my CAD class:mrgreen:, but the long term is to design theme park rides, for I want to be an Imageneer (Dissney's ride designers). Of course, these CAD drawings might also help if I ever want to scratchbuild a steam loco, plus I've been loking for plans for a GS-4 for a while now!:mrgreen:
  10. MCL_RDG

    MCL_RDG Member

    I don't know...

    ...what's in the nose of a PA but I've been thru a couple of F units and there is a crapper in the noses of the ones I went thru. Two collision posts on either side of the nose door and a crapper (yes, you read it right, c-r-a-p-p-e-r, as in John Crapper) on the left side. It was pretty enlightening to see it there. I had no idea. Having seen it and its condition- I'm suprised there weren't many complaints of trainmen mooning the countryside and spittin' tobaccy from their cabs!

    The rest of the little cavern down there was just that- some "stuff" shoved against the inside of the skin you see. I imagine a bit of a thick skin. The collision posts were about (letting my memory run wild) 4'-5' tall. prolly tube filled with concrete?

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  11. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    Not to be "anal" about it, but it was Thomas Crapper, who didn't invent it, but certainly made improvements to the original design.
    Is the "appliance" actually a toilet, or is it a "hopper", which discharges the waste onto the ties as "weathering"? :eek::-D

  12. MCL_RDG

    MCL_RDG Member

    John Hopper or Thomas?

    The Polish people, of which I am proudly descended from invented the toilet seat when they first became Polish. It was very popular. A rage as a matter of fact- so I heard. Many millennia later a hole wore through and so the seat you have today...

    Ah, the stuff they don't teach in school anymore. Shame, shame, shame.


    To: doc
    If you were inquiring about the toidy I passed in a darkened nose of a loco? I didn't stick my head in to see. I do however have a beautiful photo of ties and ballast shot from above a "hopper" that was mounted in a Erie Stillwell car. I call it art, others might call it cra..., I was gonna post it but, poop, it's on another computer. I'll try to dig it up.
  13. nkp174

    nkp174 Active Member

    I made many trips into the cab of the GG-1 in Altoona when I was 7...and as I recall, it had a toilet(s) in the nose(s) as well. I believe that all road diesels with a nose do. I suspect that it could also be filled with electrical there used to be many such things in diesels. I've been the cabs of many locomotives...some for cab rides...and I can't recall a diesel that didn't have a toilet in the nose except for diesel switchers. All steam engines have toilets behind the cab...and then they incinerate it...or so I was told as a little kid asking about the bathroom

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