Your thoughts needed

Discussion in 'N / Z Scale Model Trains' started by brakie, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    Hi Gang! :wave:

    First a little back ground.My Brother in law has been in N Scale for about three years and now he wants to build a new but,smaller layout. So,my brother in law and I was looking over some layouts and I casually mention this one since I think its a good small HO layout that can be easily built in N..He agreed thats close to what he had in mind.

    My thoughts is a 36"x72" hollow core door..He doesn't think it would fit since he wants at least 22" radius curves made from flex track.
    So,I need your thoughts on this layout design for N Scale..If I was building I would use the door. :D
    All thoughts and opinions welcome. :D
  2. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery


    The HO scale 4x8 likely does not have 22" radii - your brother wants to be quite generous in the curves. having said that, he might be able to get 22" on an Nscale 4x8 version of that. So now the question is "is a 4x8 really a small layout?". What is his current layout size?

  3. shortliner

    shortliner Member

    Go take a look at - there has been a HUGE discussion about 8 x 4's on there in the last few days. Personally - I think they are a complete waste of usable space needing at least a 12' x 8' room. Go for tighter radius and put it on a door if you must, or build on a shelf around the room, or modular boards joined to make an 8 x 4, but not a solid one. It is the one thing that causes newbies to leave the hobby, mainly due to opposition from the Domestic authorities
    Shortliner(Jack)away up here in the Highlands (asbestos suit on!)
  4. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    Guys,This is not going to be my layout but,by Brother-In-Law's.His current layout is 11.5x11.5x11.5 with a 4x10 foot peninsula.This layout has to go because the room is going to become a layout/knitting room. :(

    shortliner,A 4X8 foot layout beats no layout or worst buying and planing for that "dream" layout some day that might never materialized.
  5. cidchase

    cidchase Active Member

    :eek: :eek: :eek: KNITTING ROOM????!!!!! :confused: :confused:

    Say it ain't so, Joe...

    Hooda thunk it??? Guess he's tryin' extra hard not to have a doghouse...
  6. Catt

    Catt Guest

    I say,do it in N scale,do it on a 4'X8' lay it out just like the HO version.

    That said,I see no way to get 22" raduis curves with this plan.He might get 20" but 18" would be quite livable and allow some scenery room.
  7. TrainClown

    TrainClown Member

    Hi Larry, I took a look at the photo you posted and thought I would give it a try in the dimentions you stated (36x72) and I could get it all to fit except for on of the sidings on the left hand yard. Of course the radi is smaller than 22".

    What do you think of this.

    Christopher the TrainClown ;)

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  8. jerrytbirdsc

    jerrytbirdsc New Member

    What CAD program are you using to make those?
  9. shortliner

    shortliner Member

  10. Ray Marinaccio

    Ray Marinaccio Active Member

    If your brother in law insists on the 22" radius turns see if you can locate a wider door like a sliding closet door.
  11. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    Chris,Great job on showing that layout on a 36"x72" door.That is the route I would take if I was going to build this layout but,would add some of my druthers. :D

    Ray,The dunderhead won't back off those 22" curves since he's running long 6 axle units like SD50,60,70,70MAC,80MACs and 90MACs . so,we may have to find a wider door.
    John,A 4x8 is out of the question.I like the idea though that would give him tons of room. :thumb:

    Jack,A great looking alternative.I recall seeing that layout before but,had forgotten about it..I will causally point this layout out..

    Guys,Personally I feel the 19" curves would work for his 6 axle units.I just can't get him to budge off those 22" radius..I really don't know what to do in helping the dunderhead.I am just glad he thinks HO is to big and bulky..I fear if he was in HO he would want 48" or larger curves! :eek:
  12. Catt

    Catt Guest

    Does he have even a clue as to how big a 22" radius curve is?Maybe you should get him a tape measure. :D
  13. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    John,He knows..He also has it firmly locked in his head that 22" curves are better.Sadly the dunderhead doesn't fully get the big picture.He now has less then half the room his old layout had.
  14. GeorgeHO

    GeorgeHO Member

    It sounds like your bro-in-law read somewhere or heard somewhere that 18" radius is too small for articulateds, 6-axles diesels, and 85' passenger cars, but they work fine and look acceptible on 22" radius curves (and #6 turnouts). That is true in HO!!!!!! (That last statement was SHOUTED, pardon the emphatic yelling). Since HO is approximately twice as big as N scale, the equivalent statement for N would be to use 11" radii instead of 9" radii for any of the big equipment, still #6 turnouts.

    Just show him the layout you first presented to him and tell him that the HO radii are 18", but in N they are 36", and that's even bigger than the 22" he wants.

    We seem to be slipping in and out of one dimension into another.
  15. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    Well,I shall try this approach. :thumb:
  16. eightyeightfan1

    eightyeightfan1 Now I'm AMP'd

    22" radius for N scale?
    Is he planning on using flex track? I've been outta N for awhile, but does any one make 22" radius sectional track in N?
    Figure....Ho scale...18" radius track usually takes up most of the 4' wide plywood, with very little room on the long edges.
    Since he wants 22" radius, maybe a 4'x8' with foam insulation on top to make up the difference. N scale...even an 18" radius should be plenty to run modern locos and rolling stock.
    Knitting Room??????
  17. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    Ed,He exclusively uses flex track and Peco switches and gags at sectional track..Yeah my oldest sister likes to knit and needs a area to work in.She does great afghans and other needle point work.What a waste of railroad space! :cry:
  18. cidchase

    cidchase Active Member

    Maybe she can turn out an afghan or two with a raiload theme :thumb: :thumb:

    I don't see how he can go from a perimeter layout to a table layout and
    feel like it's a space savings, other than getting rid of the peninsula. It seems
    like staying around the walls would give both of them the floor space they need.
    Of course, that's without knowing all the details. Opinions are like....... :D :D
  19. brakie

    brakie Active Member

    As a update I got old dunderhead to settle on 19" curves which makes nice curves and a workable layout for his allotted space.The best news dunderhead is going to let me design it based on the layout I posted.
  20. GeorgeHO

    GeorgeHO Member

    I just bought some MR books and one of them features YOUR railroad as the first one to build. When I find the book again, I will let you know which one it is. You may not need the book, but it might give you some fresh ideas. I think you have chosen the best way to do this.

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