weird tanks anyone?

Discussion in 'Armory & Military' started by NULLMOON, Feb 5, 2008.


    NULLMOON Member

    heres a few tanks i would like to see desiged:mrgreen:

    Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, new facts have surfaced about the secret weapons developed by the Red Army during WWII. One of the most fascinating of these was the KV-VI Behemoth. In July 1941, Stalin learned of a single KV-II that had held off the entire 6th Panzer Division for more than a day. With the incredible success of this single tank, Stalin ordered a crash program for a land battleship based on the KV-II design. It was to have three turrets and be very heavily armed and armored and able to defend itself against all types of attack. The project was given to the joint team of Kotin/Barkov. When the designers complained to Stalin that the insistence on three turrets made the vehicle too long to have an acceptable turning radius, Stalin's answer was: "It doesn't need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin." The final design became known as the KV-VI "Behemoth". The KV-VI was a multi-turreted tank using components of the KV-I and II, Bt-5, T-60, and T-38. The use of existing tank designs was necessary because of pressure from Stalin and the strains put on Soviet industry by the German invasion. Because of its massive weight, the tank was equipped with wading devices permitting it to traverse rivers up to 9 feet deep. The team also designed a removable observation tower that could be used to direct the fire of the howitzers and rockets while the tank was in a turret down position

    KV-VI Specifications

    Crew: 15 men and one Commissar Length: 51 feet, 4 inches
    Height: 15 feet, 3 inches Width: 10 feet, 10 inches
    Height/tower raised: 37 feet, 8 inches Weight: 138 tons
    Engine: 3 X V-2 at 600 horsepower each Max Speed: 13 mph
    Max Range: 98 miles road; 43 miles cross country
    Armor: 160mm maximum; 7mm minimum
    Armament: 2 X 152mm; 2 X 76.2mm; 1 X 45mm; 2 X 12.7mm DShK; 2 X 7.62mm Maxim; 14 X 7.62mm DT; 16 X BM-13 Rockets; 2 X Model 1933 Flamethrowers

    Operational History
    The first prototype was completed in December 1941 and was rushed into the defense of Moscow. In its first action during a dense winter fog, the rear turret accidentally fired into the center turret. The resulting explosion completely destroyed the vehicle. The second prototype was completed in January 1942, and was sent to the Leningrad front. This one had indicators installed to show whe another turret was in the line of fire. In its initial attack on the Germans, the tank broke in half when crossing a ravine. A spark ignited the leaking flamethrower fuel and the resulting explosion completely destroyed the vehicle. The third prototype, shown here, had a reinforced hull and was also sent to the Leningrad front in early 1942. It did manage to shoot down three German aircraft. In its first ground engagement, the KV-VI was firing on German positions when coincidentally all of the guns fired from the 3 O'Clock position a the same time. The tremendous recoil tipped the tank into a ditch and the severe jostling set off the 152mm ammunition, which completely destroyed the vehicle. After these failures, Stalin cancelled the project, and many of the design team members spent the rest of their lives in the Gulags of Sibera. The KV-VI was nicknamed "Stalin's Orchestra" by the few Germans that encountered it because of the variety of weapons it deployed.

    there is little source matirial to the vehicle avalible making it seem unlikely that it was ever built thoght it may have existed as a design

    Not much is known about this WWII "spherical droid" - captured on the Eastern Front (in Manchuria) in 1945 and currently on display in Military Museum in Kubinka, Russia. This "brainchild" of German military thought had 5mm armor, driver's cab inside and two-stroke one-cylinder engine. By all appearances this machine was used as a reconnaissance vehicle.

    Multiple inquiries about the origins of this machine, made to German historians and tank specialists, so far draw a blank. It is speculated that Krupp could have built this as Reconnaissance Rollzeug (Rolling Vehicle). Thus it's often referred to as "Krupp Kugelpanzer", or "Ball Tank". Note the narrow-slitted visor at the front, this wasnt the only ball tank desiged a simplar idea came from an idea in texas in the 30s

    At the height of Cold War in 1962 Soviet Army produced some interesting tank monsters, for example, rarely seen experimental Rocket Tanks. Code-named "Object 775" and "Object 780" they were heavily modified T-64 tanks sporting 125mm cannon capable to shoot guided rocket "Rubin" missiles

    the bottom picture is an Antonov KT (Kr'lya Tanka) - also referred to as the A-40 or A-T - was developed in 1940 by the skilled designer of weight-carrying gliders, Oleg Konstantinovich Antonov. The aim was to test the viability of the idea of supplying partisan forces with light tanks to harrass the enemy's lines of communication.

    A T-60 light tank provided the 'fuselage' of the unit, the unlocked tracks being the 'landing gear'. An unstaggered biplane wing of plywood and fabric was attached, together with a pair of tail booms with twin vertical surfaces and a high-mounted single horizontal surface. The aerodynamic controls comprised a single lever operating all flying surfaces from the driver's position. The flying surfaces were to be jettisoned directly on landing.

    The unit was towed by a heavy bomber such as the Petlyakov Pe-8 or Tupolev TB-3. Whilst Western sources say the KT never left the ground, Soviet sources say a single successful flight was made in 1941 or 1942. With only limited official support, the programme was cancelled shortly after that time.

    should be an easy one to scratchbuild:twisted:

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  2. Stev0

    Stev0 Active Member

    The KV-VI looks like a kitbash and as real as the german flying saucer. There would be no way for a tracked vehicle of that length to turn.

    Pure fantasy. Not sure about the squashed tank beyond the fact that the picture looks as if it is editted.

    NULLMOON Member

    the super kv is to be taken with a pinch of salt (intersting model otherwise) the other 3 are real
  4. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    For a dose of reality - try The Russian Battlefield for the KV experimental designs.

    The Russian Battlefield for the IS series of experimental heavy tanks

    The stretched image looks like a doctored image of "Object 770" - a late heavy tank prototype.

    Generally the Russians wouldn't put anything into mass production over 50 tons because of the Russian rail gauge limits.

    The KT was real - flew once with a turretless T-60 hull - The Russian Battlefield - T-60: modifications



    NULLMOON Member

    oh well another worthless post it seems to be a habit half of everything ive put on this forum is rubbish
  6. B-Manic

    B-Manic Peripheral Visionary

    Wierd, fake, or real they would still be interesting models.

    None of the SciFi or anime models are of real things either. Not everyone is a rivet counter. Some people just like to have fun.

    "I reject your reality and substitute my own."

    NULLMOON Member

    :cry:not checking my excuse
  8. Stev0

    Stev0 Active Member

    Yes nullmoon... you are to be banned to boredom of relaying information we already know. lol


    I do remember seeing that flying tank concept before.
  9. Elliott

    Elliott Senior Member

    Shoot Nullmoon, I enjoyed your post. Got a few chuckles out of it particularly the bit about the destruction of the first three production models of the KV-VI's. Don't stop brother. It would be a shame if this became a dried up lifeless academic forum. Don't get me wrong, they have their place (I even belong to a few) but...(pardon me, ducking for cover).
  10. Stev0

    Stev0 Active Member

    What is interesting is the nutty designs that seem to be rampant by Russian designers.
  11. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    Russian designers:

    They sure liked big. They liked wierd. And they liked amphibious.

    The KV1 "superheavy" (first of the KV series) was a monster. It scared the aitch outta the Wehrmacht and then the T-34 showed up. The KV 1 has never been done in card, I do not think!

    As regards superheavy tracked vehicles, how about the big German mortars (Karl, Loki & co.?)

  12. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    The KVs weren't that big - 6.8m long 47.4 tonnes (compared to the Tiger 6.3m 56 t ) - they certainly were a shock to the Wehrmacht - total intelligence failure - the Nazis probably didn't believe the "Bolsheviks" could build advanced heavy tanks.

    Russian tanks weren't "primitive" - they were well-engineered and designed to be produced and maintained quickly and cheaply.

    The KV-1 has been done in card a number of times....

    Maly Modelarz (really old)
    Modelcard (KV-1 and KV-2)
    Answer KV-1 (recent)


    NULLMOON Member

    the superheavy howitzers would be cool but they would be big projects:p
  14. Stev0

    Stev0 Active Member

    I have the KV1 and KV2 kits.... suprisingly I thought the hulls would be exactly the same but they are not.

    In Forgotten Hope... The KV1 is a nice tank up against average late German armor but the Panther and Tiger eat it for breakfast. The KV2 is worse off as the turret is very slow on the traverse and reload times long. You can't even sit in cover and snipe with it.

    The big downfall of the KV1 was the introduction of newer optics and poor training. Crews could not use the KV1 to advantage and that was it's downfall.

    Nice piece of kit though in game and for real. =)
  15. Fishcarver

    Fishcarver Active Member

    Call it "Economical"


    Sorry for my inaccuracies on the cardmodel availability. I do not do much WW2 stuff.

    WW2 Soviet equipment was never "primitive". That would denigrate the T34, arguably among the best MBTs ever built.

    WW2 Soviet equipment was always built " cheap, fast, numerous, simple to operate, and (usually) big "

  16. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    I think you had to read my "primitive" comment linked to the previous sentence about the Nazi attitudes to the Soviets.

    It's interesting to match tanks in games which rarely, if ever, came up against each other. The late war heavy Russian tank was the IS-2 (the "Victory" tank). Neither the Tiger or Panther could take a 122mm hit and survive undamaged - fortunately for the Wehrmacht the IS-2 had a slow rate of fire and average optics.


  17. Dragos

    Dragos Active Member

    Can we consider the Tzar tank a weird one? Because there a paper model of this one
  18. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    You'd also have to do the special Pz IV which carried the shells. The mortars weren't all that complex but I think complexity might get out of hand if you tried to model the special rail trucks used to transport the Karlgeraets.

  19. Gixergs

    Gixergs Well-Known Member

    I think most countrys have had a few funny moments with super tanks
    Super-heavy tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia although the Germans seemed to have had the hardest time giving them up up, from the Maus which was actually built to the E100 which got as far as the chassis to the the frightening paper only P1500 which was meant to be basicly a self propelled Dora Rail Gun !
  20. Gixergs

    Gixergs Well-Known Member

    Just found this site on the P1000-P1500 Super Tanks
    ULTRA TANK I think the P1000 would make a great model if anyone is willing

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