The Student & Teacher

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  1. peter taft

    peter taft Senior Member

    Professor : You are a Christian, aren’t you, son ?

    Student : Yes, sir.

    Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

    Student : Absolutely, sir.

    Professor : Is GOD good ?

    Student : Sure.

    Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn’t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

    (Student was silent.)

    Professor: You can’t answer, can you ? Let’s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: Is satan good ?

    Student : No.

    Professor: Where does satan come from ?

    Student : From … GOD …

    Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor: So who created evil ?

    (Student did not answer.)

    Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they?

    Student : Yes, sir.

    Professor: So, who created them ?

    (Student had no answer.)

    Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

    Student : No, sir.

    Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

    Student : No , sir.

    Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

    Student : No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t.

    Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

    Student : Yes.

    Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?

    Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

    Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

    Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

    Professor: Yes.

    Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

    Professor: Yes.

    Student : No, sir. There isn’t.

    (The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

    Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

    (There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

    Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

    Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness?

    Student : You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?

    Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

    Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

    Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

    Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

    Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

    Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

    Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

    (The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

    Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

    (The class was in uproar.)

    Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain?

    (The class broke out into laughter. )

    Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

    (The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

    Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on faith, son.

    Student : That is it sir … Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

    By the way, that student was EINSTEIN. :thumb:
  2. bl1tzz

    bl1tzz New Member

    i have heard that in my school... that's genius think....
  3. Experimental Designs

    Experimental Designs Papercraft Visionary

    This one made my day and something else to share with athiests to make them fluster. Heheh.

  4. Spartacus

    Spartacus Member

    As an atheist there are many things one can say about that delightful nonsense.

    First and foremost, however, is that it's an urban myth.

    The second is to note Einstein was not a Theist.

    Finally, for now, are some numerous scientific errors in the text, on behalf of both student and lecturer - betraying the actual author's lack of scientific education. Cold is not the absence of heat, just as heat is not the absence of cold. They are relative terms, human subjective evaluations on the relative movement of atomic particles. Humans did not evolve from monkeys, humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.

    There are other gross scientific philosophical errors in the text, too numerous to start listing (unless requested). Brains and thoughts are to be taken on faith?

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  5. Experimental Designs

    Experimental Designs Papercraft Visionary

    Alas you can always count on the belligerent nature of athiests.

    How cute.
  6. Spartacus

    Spartacus Member

    It's belligerent to point out a badly written Urban Legend isn't true?

    If so, I apologise. I don't want to offend anyone who enjoyed it. ;)
  7. Diablo_Fire

    Diablo_Fire New Member

    That was a GREAT story even if it is an URBAN LEGAND It brougt a smile to my face after a very bad day in more ways than one.
  8. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    I'm kinda with Spartacus on this one.

    I believe the belligerence was "This one made my day and something else to share with athiests to make them fluster. Heheh."

    Or in the very least condescension. While I do find the story charming, I think the point of the story is actually to RESPECT THE VIEWS OF OTHERS.
  9. Experimental Designs

    Experimental Designs Papercraft Visionary

    Condescension? Who do you think I am? An athiest?

    Respect the views of others is indeed the point of the whole story. I can respect you all day long right up until you call me and I'll quote one of them... "dark-aged superstitous trogladites upholding the progress of mankind."

    So to be fair whenever I get tid-bits like this via email or on a forum I use it as ammo whenever this group of athiests go on a religious bashing tanget after a few games (like clockwork) and I'm the only one who dares challenge them when they cross that line. (and they cross it often)

    Am I glutton for punishment? Maybe.

    Do I just want to pick a fight? Well I'm half Scottish and part Irish, you do the math.

    Do I take it seriously? Only if I was Bill O'Reily. (Which I'm not)

    Seriously now and nothing against Spartacus here but that whole "Einstien was not a Thiest" set off one of my defenses. I can easily say he was not an Athiest either! Einstien was Jewish, yet that does not automatically make him a believer by default. Einstien was among the very few who married the logic of science with the fervor of faith that a believer would have. It goes on the same premise that not all Preachers dismiss the logic of science and nor do all Scientists neglect the merits of faith.
  10. Spartacus

    Spartacus Member

    Oh my goodness, "all atheists are bad, only religionists are good"?

    And I could quote any quote from the Westboro "God Hates Fags" Baptist Church, but does the repellent end of the spectrum of religiosity reflect upon you? No? So why would you bring up the unpleasant end of atheist statement given the (I think) reasonably affable atheist tone here?

    PS, who are quoting? Anyone public? I've Googled but can find no exact quote.

    Einstein himself said it. Repeatedly, and unambiguously.

    Show your working, please. Citations and the likes. Thanks.

    In my experience preachers are willing to accept the logic of science unto the point it impeaches upon their faith, meritorious or otherwise.

    Science is the pursuit of truth through reproducible evidence. Religion is many things... but evidence-based it is not.
  11. Diablo_Fire

    Diablo_Fire New Member

    That is very true sir, very true indeed.
  12. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    @ Experimental Designs- Umm . . . . I don't recall anyone *on this topic* being disrespectful to any religions or religious views. Nor do I recall Spartacus nor myself using the term "trogladite."

    There was no beligerence in Spartacus' post. Just because you have encountered some of the militant athiests in the past does not mean you should judge all athiests the same way. Would you like all people who believe in religion by the Branch Davidians? Or the Taliban? Or the Spanish Inquisition?

    I think the saying goes "Judge not, lest you, yourself be judged."

    I have great respect for people whose faith and beliefs are a positive influence on their lives, and little respect whose faith and beliefs are a negative influence.
  13. Experimental Designs

    Experimental Designs Papercraft Visionary

    Einstein is more accurate defined as a ‘Deist’ like some of the founding fathers although many would like to jump to the conclusion he was atheist overall. That’s nonsense to the point of ignorance. I happen to have one of his autobiographies ‘A Life: Einstein’ and it explains that he disliked being called atheist yet he did not believe in a ‘Personal God’ per say but acknowledges a being of superior intellect and power beyond the normal human condition is behind the dynamic nature of the universe. And before you fire another salvo don’t waste my time with Wikipedia, it is all but irrelevant source of information and I dare say people who rely on Wikipedia as a source of information are borderline moronic.

    As per the quote, you misunderstand me. I’m not accusing you or anyone else here on this forum of saying that. I was quoting someone from another forum or more accurately someone who I knew personally who, like you, was quick to decree the post as “delightful nonsense” even if it is an urban legend or better yet a slightly exaggerated anecdote of Einstein’s earlier life. And the belligerence I pointed out was more on your picture of a child face palming as if anyone dared to emphasize any religious accolade to Einstein is imbecilic. It was better to say you reminded me of said person instead of quoting them outright.

    I would have guessed as much you would be so keen in using the Westboro Baptist Church of fanatics (and heretics) as a blood libel to justify a debate that religious people are twisted and malign. “Hate the sin and not the sinner”; the pretenders from Westboro seem to have forgotten that little rule. For the record I am not a Christian myself or belong to any denomination but I will go out of my way to back up someone’s beliefs if I feel they’re being bullied by someone like yourself or even another believer, mostly another fiery Baptist. (I am in the Bible belt of the US just so you know)

    Just how a fiery Baptist Preacher is forcing their beliefs down other’s throats an Evangelical Atheist is just as guilty of coercing others to be like atheists too. The trend these days that if you cannot convince someone (most likely a Christian) that their beliefs are superstitious and silly you immediately take the high road to discredit and dismantle their religion by trying to use “Facts” and demeaning arguments that would otherwise prove you’re just as intolerant and narrow-minded as you accuse your God-believing contemporaries to be.

    "Judge not, lest you, yourself be judged." Yeah, okay: “He is without sin cast the first stone” Tread lightly or it could make two of us.

    So pointing out something that was slightly bit antagonistic about someone’s post I’m not judging anyone. I think reactionary analysis is more accurate. If I am so judgmental then explain to me why is it in every other forum or in public an Atheist (no matter if they’re the militant brand or not) has to “attack” someone’s logic if they insert a modicum of religion into it? Even this forum isn’t safe it was bound to happen sometime.
    Sure I didn’t have to make that remark before to get an Atheist flustered but a post later Spartacus proved my point with the face palming meme and a rather cold rhetoric that can only (if not vaguely) illustrates a belligerence found in ‘militant atheists’. I knew me or someone else would set off a divisive landmine sooner or later. :curse:

    Before Raven Black or one of the mods is forced to closed down this thread or slap me with a warning I'll be watching the posts carefully next time.
  14. Rhaven Blaack

    Rhaven Blaack ADMINISTRATOR Administrator

    I am not going to slap you (or anyone for that matter) with any kind of warning. There is no need to.
    I am how ever going to close this thread before someone decided to take something that was said out of context and it does get out of hand.

    This is a hobby forum for models. Let's keep it that way, please.
    So let's have some fun and build models, share tips and techniques and leave it and that.
  15. zathros

    zathros -----SENIOR---- Administrator

    This is an Urban Legend also. I had to add this, sorry Rhaven, but to balance this out, and having read much of everything Einstein ever wrote, Relativity being once of my favorites, Albert Einstein believed in a "non-person" kind of God. He tried to explain it many different ways but the bottom line is I would have knocked out the first post because people are entitled to their belief, and this is a paper model forum, but this having been to allowed to go on compels me to dispel the notion that Einstein was not at a "theist', indeed, he was, he just could not express or had not fully developed to a point of being able to express his belief system. Atheism is a belief system. Not believing in anything is your "faith", you cannot prove or disprove God or god. Read the following link it has many quotes that are from Einstein, and how he tried to describe his belief system. He felt that 'atheist' were misquoting him and refers to that topic exactly..

    He was not of the Jewish faith (by religion), or Christian, or of any denomination. He saw the harmony of the Universe and could not deny that his "limited mind" could not comprehend it's origin. He believed in something. That is not atheism, and this is a paper model forum. I have to admit to being impressed with the way the discussion took place. As to "", it can be used and misused. Just like Wikipedia, but in this case, his quotes are in the link I provided with all references.

    I wonder where I was when this thread happened?
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