Spruce Goose

Discussion in 'General Card Modeling' started by FlyGuy, Nov 13, 2006.

  1. FlyGuy

    FlyGuy New Member

    Hi everybody!

    I just thought I'd post a quick note... I'm going to be visiting the Spruce Goose at the Evergreen Aviation Museum this coming Saturday, and I thought I would offer to shoot some photos for anyone who might want to design her for paper. If anyone has specific photo requests, let me know and I'll do my best to get them. As I understand it, general access is fairly restricted, but I'll try!
  2. Ashrunner

    Ashrunner Member

    I have visited the Goose several times. The biggest problem with shooting photos of it is it just barely fits inside the building! hehe Last time I was there, there were just setting up the viewing stand for the interior view. I'd like to see some interiors of it.

    Word of caution...I wrote Evergreen once requesting some data on the aircraft for a card model I was designing. I got a letter back from a lawyer telling me all about the copyright held on the HK-1 by the museum. It detailed all kinds of problems using anything regarding the aircraft without specific approval (and from the wording, payment of licensing rights or something). They are very protective of their pride and joy.

    I dumped plans to design the model (had a rough 1:400 scale finished at the time) and file 13'ed the letter.
  3. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    HK-1/H-4 'Hercules'

    Hi FlyGuy,

    This is a very generous offer - thanks. I´d be very interested.

    For some time, I have been looking at some sketches, different drawings and plans and matted silver paper, pondering about designing a very simple card model prototype, just to see if it´s feasable.
    The hard part is of course, as always, the many rounded shapes, like the nose, the boat-shaped bottom of the fuselage, the engine cowlings, the pontoons which support the wings on the surface of the water, etc, etc.

    There has been numerous very large wooden R/C flying scale models constructed (and succesfully flown off water) of this one-of-a-kind aircraft, among the latest the impressive electric-motor powered flying model made by a specialist modeller for the movie "The Aviator", starring Leonardo DiCaprio (which, in my opinion, made a rather flat and poor impression of the dynamic Howard Hughes).

    Anyway, I´d be very grateful for a couple of pictures showing large portions of the underside of the front and rear of the fuselage and perhaps a wide shot of the plane straight and level from the front (the nose and cockpit), if it´s feasable. It seems, from pictures I´ve seen, that the aircraft is fairly close to the large museum windows, which might make this rather difficult.
    I haven´t seen any gangway or gallery where you could get a view a bit higher up (level with the nose or cockpit).
    And I don´t think it´s possible to get onboard the aircraft to take pictures of the cargo room, stairway and cockpit (or 'bridge' as I guess you can call it in this kind of huge flying boat).

    Over at the Fiddlersgreen 'Model´n Forum', we´ve had a thread going for some time now on the first ever, original 'Hercules' (not the C-130 one).
    Btw, Howard Hughes hated the name 'Spruce Goose', which was invented by a disrespectful newspaper reporter. Hughes had invested all of his savings and a tremendous amount of effort and hard work in this troop-carrier project for the US air force, and I´d like to homage and respect that now that I know better.
    Here´s a link to the Forum discussion pages: http://www.wsam.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=275&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

    There is a web page (Seawings.co.uk) on flying boats where there are some photos of the original 'Hercules' as installed at the Evergreen Museum: http://www.seawings.co.uk/sprucegoosewalkroundgal.htm

    A link to the actual museum: http://www.sprucegoose.org/ , where the staff and curators have adopted the 'popular' name of the aircraft that Hughes disliked like the very plague.

    Here´s another earlier, gigantic American project from the late 20s by Norman Bel Geddes, which, unfortunately, never left the drawing board: http://home.att.net/~dannysoar/BelGeddes.htm

    To cut a rather long story short:
    Good luck with the pictures and enjoy your stay there!
    I wish I can go there myself some day.

    Best regards,
    Bengt :smile:
  4. NYC Irish

    NYC Irish Member

    @ Ash

    sorry "File 13'd the letter"

    whats that?

    John John
  5. rickstef

    rickstef Guest

    File 13
    Deep Sixed
    filed in the circular file

    with other words trashed

  6. cmdrted

    cmdrted Active Member

    Means same thing as s-itcanned.
  7. Ashrunner

    Ashrunner Member


    For reasons mentioned earlier, I no longer plan to pursue a model of the HK-1. I'd be glad to provide you with my information on it if you're interested. Let me know and I'll dig around for the data and send it your way.

    P.S. Yes...what they all said about file 13'd. 8v)
  8. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    H-4 Hercules

    Hi Ash,

    Sure, I´d be happy with anything you could 'dig up' on the Hercules.
    If you think it has a general interest, post it here, or mail me or send a PM.

    Take care in central Oregon,
    Bengt :grin:
  9. FlyGuy

    FlyGuy New Member

    Thanks for the tip Ashrunner. As far as they'll know I'll be just another enthusiastic pilot who dragged his family to another aviation museum... I've been told that they have the interior viewing platforn up, but that you can't actually step inside. I'll see what I can get for you.

    Bengt, I'll do my best to shoot the angles you asked for, but as Ashrunner said, she's right up against the glass, so... I'll put the kids to good use as decoys, and as scale gauges ;)

    I've actually flown over the museum lots of times during my flight training, KMMV was the first airport (other than my home field, KHIO) that I landed at. I've got some photos of the museum and the general airport area that I've taken from the air. Maybe I'll try to find the Mustang that I tangled with while I'm there... :)

    Attached Files:

  10. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    The Evergreen Museum from Above

    Hi FlyGuy,

    Thanks for those aerial shots - it´s really nice to see the surroundings.

    Those yellow biplanes in the second picture (in the distance) look really interesting. What are they - Stearmans, or Tiger Moths?

    Bengt 8)
  11. FlyGuy

    FlyGuy New Member

    Hi everybody!

    Well, I got out to the museum as planned Saturday, and I took a few photos for you all. Unfortunately my camera battery died, so I wasn't able to take as many shots as I had planned - it seems someone forgot to charge the battery... ooops.:oops:

    So... I've got a few interior shots, a few exterior shots, and a few shots of the model they used in "The Aviator". I can either post scaled-down photos on this thread here, or I can post the full size images (1.2 - 1.3 megs each) somewhere else on the site(?). I might also be able to provide an ftp link for a short time, or I would also be willing to email them to anybody who wants them; bandwidth isn't a problem for me...

    Let me know what works best for you
  12. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    Posting Big Images

    Hi FlyGuy,

    I can really recommend using http://www.photobucket.com as an external server for your pictures. It costs nothing to host your pics there and it´s an excellent way of posting full-quality hi-res photos on the web.
    It´s also very simple to use - just cut and paste the IMG file to the desired page. I use it all the time.

    Eric Goedkoop in this Forum recommended me and for that I am very grateful.

    You could also post the pictures as scaled-down attachments but there is a certain loss in quality, as the files have to be really small.

    Do what is best and most convenient for you - thank you for your efforts.
    Looking forward to seeing your photos.

    All the best,
    Bengt :grin:
  13. FlyGuy

    FlyGuy New Member

    Thanks for the tip, Bengt!

    Here's a link to my brand new photobucket album...

    It's really sad that the photos of the "construction model" didn't come out well, it's a spectacular model!

    Spruce Goose Album
  14. Ashrunner

    Ashrunner Member


    Nice shots. I have GOT to get back to that museum! Sure wish transport to the "other" side of the state was easier than it is. 8v)

    I didn't know they had all the models which were used in the movie The Aviator. Along with the Goose, I saw the XF-11 model in the background there.

    But then, it has been like five years since I visited there.
  15. FlyGuy

    FlyGuy New Member


    Just find yourself a daring aviator, and fly RDM > MMV... :) Only takes, what?, two hours or so.. ;)

    Good eye! You're right, the XF-11 model is there as well. I was actually surprised at how many other aircraft are in the museum. There's a Spitfire, an ME-109, SR-71, B-17, Bleriot, and on, and on, and on... And I'm really surprised that there are no barricades around some of the aircraft, just simple signs asking visitors not to climb up on the planes!

    I am DEFINATELY going back there again! If I didn't live an hour away, I'd volunteer as a restorer; talk about great access to the planes!

    Also, they are currently building a new facility on-site for a dedicated space museum, and the IMAX theater is due to open soon. Oh happy day!

    Check out the museum here:
    Evergreen Aviation Museum
  16. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    H-4 Hercules

    Thanks, FlyGuy,

    That´s an impressive portfolio of fine photos. This boatplane really is HUGE - compared to the lovely young girl standing under the right wing pontoon. And I´m impressed with how smooth the original plane still is.
    This museum is really jam-packed with planes!

    The close-up of the door in the fuselage is interesting and also the shots of the model of the Hercules. Do you know if this is one of the models used in the production of "The Aviator"? I have it on DVD and watch it on a regular basis, at least the scenes in Long Beach harbor and the ones of the XF-11 above Hollywood´s Beverly Hills.
    The 25 feet flying scale Hercules model, with eight AXI Brushless electrical motors which was created for the film, is a (relatively) small technical R/C masterpiece. There were lots of servos for all kinds of controls.
    Here´s a link to a page with the models for Martin Scorcese´s film: http://www.billhempel.com/Aviator/index.htm
    and here´s a story from DesignNew.com about Joe Bok, who designed and built the amazing models for the film: http://www.designnews.com/article/CA513570.html?ref=nbra

    I really would like to see that Museum some time - a trip to the US again is a must (so far I´ve only seen downtown Manhattan, in N Y C).

    I sure would like to see the SR-71, too, and an IMAX theater is also really interesting in those surroundings - one can hope for big screen aviation films, I guess?
    I have to save up for an overseas ticket . . .

    All the best,
    Bengt :grin:

    PS. (edited in): On the second of my links (the one on model aiplane designer Joe Bok), please click where it says "View video" the first time at the bottom of the page (after "Web resources") for a unique, behind-the-scenes look of the build and flight of the huge 25 feet R/C model of the H-4 Hercules. It´s really worth a peek! :smile:
  17. Ashrunner

    Ashrunner Member


    Not to change the subject here, but the SR-71 at the Evergreen Museum is a personal favorite of mine...for a personal reason.

    In 1971 I emptied a JP-4 truck, flushed the system and refilled it with JP-7 fuel. I did it for a "special" refuel. After sitting off to the side of an out of the way hardstand, an aircraft landed which had landing lights I couldn't identify. By that time in Alaska, I could almost ID any aircraft by a glance at its landing lights when it was several miles out on approach.

    A short time after that, a stange aircraft came up the taxiway and parked on the hardstand. A few minutes later, an NCO walked over to my fuel truck, opened the door and asked me what kind of fuel I had in the truck. I told him JP-7 and he said, "Okay...start pumping." I pulled up the aircraft, and marveled at how it looked. When I gave the fuel nozzle to the ramp worker, I asked, "Is this the SR-71?" He said, "I think so." Neither of us had ever seen one.

    It's tail number (last three is what I remembered from then) was 971. That is the tail number of the bird in the museum. The one and only SR-71 I ever did anything to in real life. It was on display the last time I was at the museum. It was pretty cool to see it again.
  18. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    SR-71 Space Plane


    Thanks for sharing this fascinating story. It must have been great to experience the real thing.
    I have a special eye for those early Air Force space planes, eg the X-1 and X-2, the X-15 and the SR-71, that pushed the limits of flight, moved the frontier of the atmosphere and paved the way for NASA´s space exploration.

    All the best,
    Bengt 8)
  19. milenio3

    milenio3 Active Member

    Ash, Bengt, Flyguy... you guys are MASTERS in this field (at least, considering myself just a wanna-be pilot).

    Today I learned about Reynolds numbers, about where the Hughes' Hercules is (and how it looks like today), and a first-hand story of a close encounter with a history plane.

    Thank you!! (gosh, I love this forum).

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