I have no idea why anyone would deliberately just browse the bitches and gripes section, but for those who happen upon this thread other than from the Destroids thread in Anime section, let me give a GENERALIZED description: A link to a papermodel is posted by member 'A'. Member 'B' states that the download of the model is without the designer's permission. 'A' and 'B' then start fighting over indignities said and done to each other. Members 'C' - 'W' joins the arguments, sometimes picking sides, sometimes trying to voice their own opinions. Only members 'x', 'y' and 'z' try to get the topic on track again. There you go, the formula that got the whole snowball rolling for me... On to my bitching and griping... Strange as it sounds, I don't have a problem with any of this per se. I accept the fact that it's part of the human condition. My blood boils because of this: I can't speak for others here, but I'm sure it's safe to assume that all (at least most) will agree: If a prospecting paper modeler happens upon this thread (Destroids and other mecha), or similar which focuses on their specific interest, how would they react, and what would their first impressions be about the thread, the forum in general, and the people taking part in the discussion, when lots of what they read is back and forth sparring? Not a good one. This thread ( Macross/Robotech Destroids, and other mecha) was started for discussions on All things Robotech, Macross, and anything thats got A$$-whoopin robots in it like Gundam, et al. My previous post (#133) was an attempt at getting the thread on topic again while not stepping on anyone's toes, as well as a SERIOUS inquiry into opinions on the new Macross frontier mecha. NOT A SINGLE PERSON even responded! Of the 10 posts (i counted them) as I'm writing this, only two (By SteveO & Armorman) was on topic, with two (cgutzmer and Nothing) trying to get it back on track... That's not a good track record methinks!!! I admit my fault in all this. I also publicly jump on the moral bandwagon from time to time, adding to the high-jacking of a thread, and I herewith apologize to those thread-starters. A complaint without suggesting a solution is just hot air, so I would suggest: That anyone can request a specific model in any forum. (preferably in the dreams kit and wish list- thats what it's there for). If you are 100% certain the link you have is legitimate, feel free to post it. If not, use the private messaging system, or keep the link to yourself until you have verified its legitimacy!!! That by itself should radically reduce the public bickering amongst ourselves. For the accusations and fighting that still continue, do it in PRIVATE MESSAGES! Ask for an apology by PRIVATE MESSAGE! Sort the problem out, by what..? let me hear you say it.... PRIVATE MESSAGE! If you cannot sort it out by yourselves, request direction from a moderator. How..? PRIVATE MESSAGE! Some thread highjackings can be fun, humorous and even enlightening. It's also something that we will never get rid of, and personally, I wouldn't want to get rid of them, as long as it does not last, oh... let's say for argument's sake, two or three pages... Here you have my opinion on it. If you want to reply on this topic, please do so. Here. If you want to converse about Robotech, Macross, Models of said anime series, anything that has butt-whupping robots in it, and anything else good natured leading naturally from discussions of stated topics, go to: http://forum.zealot.com/t156100/ If you have anything to say regarding a link I have posted, or have a link you think I would enjoy having a look at (and am not entirely certain if it's legit) or If you have anything to say to me that's of a personal nature, do it... how..? Let me hear it one more time, with full voice, even those at the back...Yea you... PRIVATE MESSAGE! I cant hear you! PRIVATE MESSAGE! Stick a fork in me, I'm done. Thank you and good night.