Someone has pirated Marvin!!!!

Discussion in 'Anime, Cartoons, Figurines & Paperdolls' started by BazookaJo, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. Stev0

    Stev0 Active Member

    PS. Don't sit there and say that members are doing nothing about this and other such activities. Take a look at the crap that washed up on our shores after the last pirate annoyance. We didn't spam their website, why? Because it's pointless, posting angry comments on a site you do not control does NOT get files removed. I should know as I have had a couple of my own models posted on a certain site and regardless of my protests, they remained.

    To get models removed. You have to be the owner. You have to prove that the models are illegally being hosted. The host is required to remove those files as per user agreement. This is the weakest link of the whole operation.

    Flooding the site with angry posts may seem the right thing to do but when someone removes the owner's tags on the files then you know that it's going to be a dirty fight.
  2. BazookaJo

    BazookaJo Member

    Calm down, calm down...

    Hi guys, and especioally big hi to Paul H.

    Thanks for the response Paul, I really appreciate the support - I also hope this incident hasn't affected your membership here - I would hate to think it had.

    Believe me, I a equally as P'd off by the incident, but I aslo know that there are many others here that would have done something to help if there was any easy solution to this problem, but as our googling friend pointed out, there is no easy way to handle something like this - much to my chagrin.

    You have reacted just the same way as me when I found out, and don't think I haven't thought of blasting that blog 10 times a day :mrgreen:, but I reckon this kid ain't gonna give a damn regardless of how many times I post the word 'thief' in her blog.

    The only other problem is the nature of the material - I do not have the copyright to any of the source material, and think as it's all free and original it just scrapes by under the title of "fan-art", so I'm not sure where I'd stand with it.

    Anyhow, as I said Paul, please take a deep breathe, count to 10 and stay on the forum, it is one of, if not the best, and is so from input from guys like you.

    Take it easy bro, and again big thanks to all for the input as always.

    Paul :thumb:
  3. Red

    Red Member

    That would give her to much of the attention that she is looking for. I would tell her that you would like it if she would re-post the model the way she download it and put a link
    to your site then tell her about some of the programs to make these models her self like sketch up and give her some pointers to get her going. Like make her owen Marvin.
    She is wanting to be known for something and she off to a bad start.
    Plus if she has first hand experience with trying to make one of these models she may have more respect for the designer of the models she took and might not do it any more.

    just my thoughts.

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  4. RonP

    RonP Member of the WMRC

  5. RonP

    RonP Member of the WMRC

    Kick the guy when he is down huh ? That sure sounds like community to me.

    Don't have the guts to show solidarity ? pfff.

    ARMORMAN Guest

    Chiming in on's one for you. A friend of mine (Tom Allison) made a sculpt of the Mastichelli Batman and cast a couple of copies for auctions for charity. Somone who won one, recast it and had DC Direct pick it up.....ain't life grand? :curse:
  7. BazookaJo

    BazookaJo Member

    Hi Red - how's it going - When are you going to get around to doing a paper model of the Paranoid Android that's what I want to know :mrgreen:

    And you're absolutely right, giving exposure to this person would probably be one of the worst things I could do.

    Still, for you guys here :mrgreen:

    I sent her a friendly but firm request to take it down and replace with the correct links, but am not sure the account is even active.

    As for any legal stuff, it just ain't worth it - it's a free model, and anyone who is anyone knows the source.

    Still maybe I can find a newer email addy - this may be as effective as anything else...

  8. Red

    Red Member

    I just downloaded the free version of sketchup my self, and now I am trying to learn it :mrgreen:
    It has ben a long time since I have tried to learn something

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  9. jaffro

    jaffro Long term member

    No but to put it bluntly you/they are wasting your/their time.

    Microsoft and Sony, to name only two of the thousands of companies that try to fight piracy, have invested millions upon millions of dolars to fight piracy but they will never stop it, ever. If they manage to stamp out a single pirate or application that supports piracy (ie: napster, another 10+ will spring up in their place.

    The "pirates" on the internet have been around a lot longer than those who try to stop them, they had a head start and it will be impossible to catch up any time soon. It's not worth getting all worked up over and calling people names, leaving a community because you think they don't care... that's just like letting them win another battle.

    I'm sure plenty of you may disagree with me, but I've been around long enough to see the internet, and the piracy that thrives on it, come as far as it has. You can possibly reduce it, slow it down, but lets face it, if someone wants something that can be digitised and downloaded free of charge, there will always be a way to obtain it.

    Sorry, that's life. Kind of like the weirdass way this forum seems to be heading thanks to the new hosts who look at all you members as nothing more than a population of potential advertising clicks. You may not like it, you may want to change it... but you can't.
  10. BazookaJo

    BazookaJo Member

    Looking good :thumb:

    P.S. Know what you mean by learning something new - using 3D software for me is like riding to work on a unicycle without a seat - I get there in the end, but man is it painful!!

    P.P.S. Did you get the buckle plan Alpha?
  11. BazookaJo

    BazookaJo Member

    Know what you mean, but this isn't really traditional piracy.

    Pirates don't usually a) give their names and photos, and b) claim ownership.

    It would be like me uploading Elvis's greatest hits with my name and photo and and claiming all songs were sung and written by me.

    It's laughable, and as you rightly said inevitable :cry:

  12. jaffro

    jaffro Long term member

    I also forgot to mention in my post that I'm sorry for "your loss", it still upsets me to see that it's the decent folk like yourself who often end up with the short end of the stick in these situations.

    I agree, she doesn't look like a proffesional "Pirate" (Harrr!) but she is a good indication of where we are headed in terms of respecting other people's property, wether it be copyrighted or not.... I think it's quite sad that most of these people who upload (and download) other people's work, such as your own, don't even know (or care) that they are breaking laws and or hurting someone in some way in the process.

    I also needed somewhere to vent about the forum changes in public... I can't do it in the staff forum, everyone in their has either quit or doesn't care enough to say what they really want to, and "they" might be watching... they're not likely to read this though, they're too busy counting how many of you have clicked on the ads.
  13. Red

    Red Member

    sign1 sign1 That Sums it up all right.

    Nope I did not get that :confused: so it sounds like you are about to make the belt next.
  14. tazman3

    tazman3 Model Designer Wannabe

    Hey, I just wanted to weigh in on this discussion...I like what someone said about the "respect" for property. It may not be piracy, but it sure is bad manners. I can understand how paulhbell feels...I took up for someone on another forum, and the mods there crucified me. Mods in general, have a "power" issue and tend to throw that around and it has probably happened to him in the past and that is why he bolted. Don't misunderstand, that is not what has happened here, and he kind of started it anyways. But anyways, back to the respect for property is sad that no one feels that "virtual" property is "real". Take a poll of 99% of the general populace and they will tell you that if you put it on the internet, it is theirs for the taking. It would kind of be like putting a brand new TV out in the yard and expecting everyone to just leave it alone. But no one will, it will be gone before the morning.

    Just sad...:cry:
  15. paulhbell

    paulhbell Guest

    Tazman, I maybe haven't posted, but I am still reading the threads I took part in. And for the record, I have never had any problems with any of the mods or admins on this board or any other board I am a member of (at this moment thats 12 boards). That was not the reason I stopped posting.

    If you read through all the posts, I suggested a way to try to help with getting marvin removed from the original blog, a few other 'members' (not mods) disagreed with what I was doing. And I didn't like the way they responded to the method I wanted to use. Ergo, no posting.

    Also, since this kicked off, I have now stopped reporting links/downloads to the file shareing sites, so I suppose someone will be happy at that. I ain't turning 'evil', I just thought, why should I bother spending my time trying to help when so many people are against what I was trying to do.

    Good luck with this guys.
  16. Stev0

    Stev0 Active Member

    Fair enough. There are many here that are already hard at work reporting files, links and sites.

    The thing is, you cannot take down a site with a 'Halinski' model on it because you have no rights to anything 'Halinski'. You just have to notify Halinski that their property is being shared and they have to go through the motions of proof of ownership and that the illegal files are just that, illegal and violate the hosting site's policy.

    To spam a site's inbox is like yelling at a rock. Pointless.
  17. Boba Frett

    Boba Frett Member

    Does anyone else think that the Herbie looks familiar?
  18. Rick Thomson

    Rick Thomson Member

    Sigh...Pirates suck, and I have to agree that the new format sucks too, of course imo the old (new) format wasn't too great either, I really miss the old Cardmodels. net and I would bet money that I am not in the minority.
  19. MapleLeaf

    MapleLeaf Member

    Copyright infringment?

    The following is predicated on the information contained in the following fourm. (Please correct me if this information is wrong or if it is correct and permission has been given.):

    If that information is correct, creating a model of a character like a cartoon character (ie. Marvin the Martian) with out the permission of the creator of that character infringes on the copyright of the owner of the character (Warner Bros.?). That being the case, who is the injured party when a cartoon character model is created and someone else claims ownership of that model? The creator of the model or the owner of the character? And, no, I am not justifying the actions of the person who has "pirated" credit for the model.
  20. BazookaJo

    BazookaJo Member

    As you can see on my prior post, I agree entirely. I basically class it as fan-art, as if I'd drawn an original picture of Marvin, and posted it on the web for others to see/use.

    I also reckon I'm way too small for Warner Bros etc. to give a damn, and the popularity of my models is not so huge as to bring me to too much attention.

    I had a great idea to publicise my models i.e. selling the links for a penny )but the link is on the description so they don't pay anything - Capiche? :mrgreen:) e.g. a "Free Marvin Model" etc.- would I'm sure give me quite a few more hits, but perhaps might bring a little too much attention to my site.

    It could be a solution though to handle those "sellers" flogging your kits?...

    Not a problem for me though as my models are a right B@llache to make, how anyone could knock one up just to sell is beyond me....:rolleyes:

    Taking my name of x month's work however still grates me big-time :curse:

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