Schleswig-Holstein Pictures found!

ehouli

New Member
Hi All!

Finally I found to pictures of two different stages of the ship which explain the differences between the model I'm finishing from Wilhelmshavener and the GPM version, I'm attaching the pictures.

Regards,

Erick
 

Renaud

Member
Schleswig Holstein

Schleswig Holstein, issue 1910, was refit twice, 1927-1932 and 1944. I was amazed at the editor's choice, long time ago now, to make a model of the the ship as it appeared, sept 1939 after being invited in Dantzig, to shot eventually the city, and this was the very beginning of WW2. Sad day! I should have prefer the first version. Moreover, I am not interested at all in late outdated versions. A Wilhelminian version would have been historically far more convincing: with her sisterships Deuschland, Hannover, Pommern ( which took part at the naval engagement at Jutland were she was sunk at night ) and Schlesien, she belonged to the late development of the pre-dreadnought serie (1Brandenburg-2Kaiser Friedrich-3Wittelsbach-4Braunschweig-5Deutschland)
 

ehouli

New Member
Hello Renaud

Really interesting collection, so in conclution, the Wilhelmshaven edition (you can see the pictures on my other thread) is from 1932... and the version from GPM is from 1944?

Thanks for the links,

Erick
 

cardfan

Member
Schleswig Holstein Photographs

I still can't quite figure out if all of the shots I find are even of the same ship. Sometimes there seems to be gun emplacements in the bow, sometimes not. The porthole arrangement changes in shots with and without those emplacements. I know there were modifications, but what those were, and when are very confusing.

I too would prefer the earlier version, but perhaps the artist was going for historical significance. Oh well, I want to build her none the less. :)

Glen
 

cardfan

Member
Therein lies my confusion. You can clearly see the forward emplacements in the lower picture but not in the upper. But since I believe that both photos show that the two forward funnels have been joined together, both shots have to be close to her configuration just prior to WW II. That is what makes me think that all of the historical photos are not of the same ship, just another ship in her class. :?

The hunt goes on! :)

Glen
 

ehouli

New Member
Hi Glen,

There is one way but the picture has to be really good to zoom it in, the coat of arms should be unique to each ship. :)

Erick
 

Renaud

Member
Schleswig Holstein

Schleswig Holstein and her sistership Schlesien were refit in Wilhelmshaven dockyards, 1927-1928 and their two forward funnels joined into one. The foremast was modified too, getting stronger, as can be seen on the russian site images. From the beginning to the end, many changes concerning artillery, with more and more AA guns mainly, especially by the end, as they were used as escort ships in the Baltic see.
I had not noticed that GPM's version is a late one too: WW2 enthusiasts seem not to be satisfied enough with the huge range at their disposal, and now they suck our pre-dreadnoughts. It's unfair, let us stop them! May our Venezuelian friend share our opinion and sing the Degüello? It seems to be more and more fashionnable now...
 

ehouli

New Member
Hi Renaud,

I didn't notice the difference between this to versions when I bought the GPM edition.

I have never built a dreadneught or pre-dreadnaught, right now I'm full of ships from WWII, but sure I may want to get my hands on a good one from or before WWI, HMV has very good samples, although I prefer to get my hands on shape again before going with such chalenges.

à bientôt,

Erick
 

Maurice

Member
Some drawings
As well as her sistership Hannover at
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/SM_Hannover_1907/
http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/plans/SM_Schleswig-Holstein_1908/
will give you large scale scans of builder's plans as built. (Well worth playing with in a graphics editor.)
a link from there leads to
http://www.german-navy.de/hochseeflotte/ships/battleships/schleswigholstein/
Linienschiff Schlesien of the Deutschland class in 1910 shows them as in the High Seas fleet
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/linienschiffe/index.html
relates to them in Kriegsmarine service.
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/linienschiffe/schleswigholstein/index.html
Schleswig Holstein in winter 1941/1942
http://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/ships/linienschiffe/schlesien/index.html
Schlesien in 1943

Since F.G. Neubert who founded Wilhelmshaven and designed their model served in the Kriegsmarine it is not beyond my ability to imagine that he may have designed the model as the training ship he remembered in 1932 configuration.

Cheers
Maurice
 
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