Schleswig-Holstein Pictures found!

Discussion in 'Ship & Watercraft Models' started by ehouli, Sep 9, 2004.

  1. ehouli

    ehouli Member

    Hi All!

    Finally I found to pictures of two different stages of the ship which explain the differences between the model I'm finishing from Wilhelmshavener and the GPM version, I'm attaching the pictures.


  2. cygielski

    cygielski Member

    When built, she also had three smokestacks. The forward two were later joined into one.
  3. ehouli

    ehouli Member

    Yup, you're right, this two pictures show her with the two forward funnels joined.

  4. Renaud

    Renaud Member

    Schleswig Holstein

    Schleswig Holstein, issue 1910, was refit twice, 1927-1932 and 1944. I was amazed at the editor's choice, long time ago now, to make a model of the the ship as it appeared, sept 1939 after being invited in Dantzig, to shot eventually the city, and this was the very beginning of WW2. Sad day! I should have prefer the first version. Moreover, I am not interested at all in late outdated versions. A Wilhelminian version would have been historically far more convincing: with her sisterships Deuschland, Hannover, Pommern ( which took part at the naval engagement at Jutland were she was sunk at night ) and Schlesien, she belonged to the late development of the pre-dreadnought serie (1Brandenburg-2Kaiser Friedrich-3Wittelsbach-4Braunschweig-5Deutschland)
  5. Renaud

    Renaud Member

  6. ehouli

    ehouli Member

    Hello Renaud

    Really interesting collection, so in conclution, the Wilhelmshaven edition (you can see the pictures on my other thread) is from 1932... and the version from GPM is from 1944?

    Thanks for the links,

  7. cardfan

    cardfan Member

    Schleswig Holstein Photographs

    I still can't quite figure out if all of the shots I find are even of the same ship. Sometimes there seems to be gun emplacements in the bow, sometimes not. The porthole arrangement changes in shots with and without those emplacements. I know there were modifications, but what those were, and when are very confusing.

    I too would prefer the earlier version, but perhaps the artist was going for historical significance. Oh well, I want to build her none the less. :)

  8. ehouli

    ehouli Member

    Hi Cardfan,

    Did you take a look at the pictures from the Wilhelmshaven model?

  9. cardfan

    cardfan Member

    Therein lies my confusion. You can clearly see the forward emplacements in the lower picture but not in the upper. But since I believe that both photos show that the two forward funnels have been joined together, both shots have to be close to her configuration just prior to WW II. That is what makes me think that all of the historical photos are not of the same ship, just another ship in her class. :?

    The hunt goes on! :)

  10. ehouli

    ehouli Member

    Hi Glen,

    There is one way but the picture has to be really good to zoom it in, the coat of arms should be unique to each ship. :)

  11. Renaud

    Renaud Member

    Schleswig Holstein

    Schleswig Holstein and her sistership Schlesien were refit in Wilhelmshaven dockyards, 1927-1928 and their two forward funnels joined into one. The foremast was modified too, getting stronger, as can be seen on the russian site images. From the beginning to the end, many changes concerning artillery, with more and more AA guns mainly, especially by the end, as they were used as escort ships in the Baltic see.
    I had not noticed that GPM's version is a late one too: WW2 enthusiasts seem not to be satisfied enough with the huge range at their disposal, and now they suck our pre-dreadnoughts. It's unfair, let us stop them! May our Venezuelian friend share our opinion and sing the Degüello? It seems to be more and more fashionnable now...
  12. ehouli

    ehouli Member

    Hi Renaud,

    I didn't notice the difference between this to versions when I bought the GPM edition.

    I have never built a dreadneught or pre-dreadnaught, right now I'm full of ships from WWII, but sure I may want to get my hands on a good one from or before WWI, HMV has very good samples, although I prefer to get my hands on shape again before going with such chalenges.

    à bientôt,

  13. Maurice

    Maurice Member

    Some drawings
    As well as her sistership Hannover at
    will give you large scale scans of builder's plans as built. (Well worth playing with in a graphics editor.)
    a link from there leads to
    Linienschiff Schlesien of the Deutschland class in 1910 shows them as in the High Seas fleet
    relates to them in Kriegsmarine service.
    Schleswig Holstein in winter 1941/1942
    Schlesien in 1943

    Since F.G. Neubert who founded Wilhelmshaven and designed their model served in the Kriegsmarine it is not beyond my ability to imagine that he may have designed the model as the training ship he remembered in 1932 configuration.


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