Rock Outcroppings A New diorama start

Discussion in 'Getting Started' started by Tileguy, Mar 13, 2006.

  1. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    I started a new diorama and did a How To on finishing the basic rock work and painting.
    I thought I would post a shot of it and give a link to the How to for those Gaugers ready to jump into the scenery aspect of thier layout who like this particular look.
    Here is the shot of the diorama as started.......I of course have a long ways to go yet to finish the scene and will do additional how to's as the scene develops :)

    And Here is a Link to the How To. I hope some of you find it helpful :)
  2. N Gauger

    N Gauger 1:20.3 Train Addict

    Way Cool!!!! :) :) :)
  3. ezdays

    ezdays Out AZ way

    Fantastic looking, realistic for sure. :thumb: :thumb: Great work, keep us posted on your progress. :wave:
  4. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    Thanks Don & Mikey :)
    Long ways to go yet and I'll post some updates...........I am slow but tenacious.Ive got a few other projects going also including a Donkey.
    Got my new thin beam hobby square from micro mark today about getting ambushed.
    Now I really want to go build a building :D :D :D

    If your a scratchbuilder and you dont have one of these, you really should get one some day.
    They are perfect for the 1/16 and 1/8" thick sheet stock of clapboard and scribed siding.:)
  5. ausien

    ausien Active Member

    cool sceen tile guy, but I am having trouble with your link, when it opens, say ....I do not have permission to view this sight.... is it me, or is it the sight, or something else????
  6. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    :wave: Hi Steve, you shouldnt have a problem, Membership isnt required to view the site ( although we'd love to have ya ;) )and i havent heard of anyone else having trouble.
    The photo there is a bit larger also and there is a Prototype rock cropping shot showing the colors of a typical formation in the area around lake superior.

    Try signing up if nothing else, doesnt take but a second and we wont hold you to dues LOL
  7. glenn railey

    glenn railey Member


    I also got the same message. It wouldn't let me acess it either.
  8. Clerk

    Clerk Active Member

    I couldn't get in either
  9. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    Ahhh I just found out the BB Server is down guys
    Give it a try tomorrow i'm sure it's something minor.
    Thanks for your interest and I hope you enjoy the clinic :)
  10. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    Great looking rockwork and a very effective job on the colouring.

  11. Will_annand

    Will_annand Active Member

    Says "non-members are not allowed to view".

    And NO, I don't want to become a member.
  12. webmaster

    webmaster Member

    Tileguy, the problem is that you were logged in to your other forum when you copied the link. That's why people can't view it.

    Try logging out of that forum & then find the post & copy the link.
  13. TomPM

    TomPM Another Fried Egg Fan

    Awesome job!
  14. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    Will, i'm sorry, did I offend you in some way??

    It seems our tech guy overlooked putting this in the public venue by mistake. Nothing on our boards is a members only area and never was there any intention of having any forums set up this way.It was simply an oversite since this area was only set up yesterday.My apologies, I did not realize this. I am working at getting this changed but our tech guy is in Australia so it may take a little bit.
    In the meantime to show my intentions were only to provide members here with information I will post the How to here on the gauge where I have been a member in good standing i believe for quite some time!!!
    I am sorry if i offended anyone, it was not my intention.

    Note 1 picture will not be seen here in this post

    Making a rock outcropping is actually pretty easy and doesnt require an enormous amount of skill................What it does require is a Mold or Molds for making your rocks from plaster and paying attention!!. Molds can be purchesed from several differant manufacturers, Woodland scenics being the best known. Making your own Rock Molds will have to be covered in another area as I am going to discuss how to do things Once you have your molds.

    Once you have your basic Hardshell done, Place your molds taking notice of the direction of the rock strata's grain. You will want all your grain running in reletively the same direction.If you support the molds with small blocks of wood taped down the molds can sit in this wood pocket and will not flop spilling plaster all over.

    OK, his done its time to mix up a batch of plaster to aproximately the consistency of Tomato soup and fill our molds as close to the top as possible. while this is setting up, spray the area where the molds will go with water to dampen and follow this by brushing on a thinned white glue mix right before adding the mold to the scene.( this will help act as a bonding agent giving you a superior bond over no glue).

    Now watch your molds. When you can pick them up and bend them seeing fine cracks form it is time to plop them into your prepared spot. Remember which way the grain is going and how you decided to lay this particular mold in. Now, flip it over onto the spot and hold it in place for a couple of minutes.You will actually begin to feel Heat coming through the mold. When you feel this heat for about 2 minutes you can remove your hand and let the mold remain where it is for about 10 minutes.

    While this is setting up clean up and prepare for your next mold. Overlapping molds is a good idea in some area's and carving can be done to tie the molds together nicely with any knife while the plaster is still moist. Dont get overly excited here trying to make things perfect since there are other steps that can be taken to cover up these area's later if your sculpting skills are like mine ......Follow the same procedure for each rock casting you will do as decribed above.

    Next step is to create our Talus or rip rap. This is the rock that has broken away from the face of the cliffside or been blasted from the cut through the rock and is piled up below.

    Take all the left over dried plaster from in your bucket that didnt get used and is now getting hard. Toss it all into a plastic bag and start whacking away with a hammer.

    Pour it out and set aside the pieces that are too large or that dont look like theyve been broken up enough and repeat the process. Now spread this rip rap where it would likely have fallen or where the railroad guys would have moved it to based on your situation (think like a forman of the crew here )

    lay it all in and go have Lunch while this sets up a little more from air exposure.After Lunch it will be time to begin coloring our Rocks.

    Rocks are interesting in that once you really look at them you realize they have alot of colors to them.............Oh sure there are rocks that are really dark greay or really a light buff but over an entire cliff face you generally see muliple hues or even distinct color breaks.

    Notice that there are several shades ranging from ligh taupe to an orangy red to a charcoal. Learning to get these subtle and not so subtle colorations is something that while not real difficult does take a bit of practice so I reccomend that you do just that and practice these techniques on some rock molds you have made just for this purpose(later they can be broken up and used elsewhere on the layout)

    There are many ways to do this coloring, probobly as many as there are modelers but here is my method. I use an Alcohol India Ink mix(1 1/2 -2 tsp to a pint of denatured alcohol) along with Acrylic artists colors by Liquitex,Basic, etc in Burnt Umber Raw Umber raw sienna and ochre. I mix these into thin washes using a dab to about a cup of water. I also mix a slightly stronger solution in small cups.

    The thin washes are put into spray bottles as is the India Ink solution, I also Keep a spray bottle of Plain Water.

    First I spray the castings with my India Ink solution lightly, I then take a brush and dip into my little cups of well mixed color solution that is a bit stronger than my sray and i dab a hint of diffeant colors here and there. I then spray on a wash of a differant color then that dabbed. For exampl, if i dab a yellow ochre i will then hit it with an Umber wash.....this helps diffuse the color and give a multi hue blending affect. some area i want to keep a more stark ditinc color i will then wash with plain water spray. The same is done to the rip rap although these are mostly just sprayed since they are loose still at this point and while doing your rock faces they recieve quite a bit of spray.

    Once you have covered all your rocks using the above method hit the entire area with an india ink wash ( be careful here as it is easy to get too dark)Now get out your 50/50 diluted white glue and start soaking the area around the rip raptossing a bit of dirt groundcover or turf blend in along the edges to soak up excess and begin your first layer of ground cover scenicing.......Letting this dry for a little while you can now highlight by drybrushing a light color like white with a hint of grey added to simulate sunlight hitting the faces of the outcroppings. You can also do this another time after everything had dried completely.

    If you practiced and had a good idea of what you wanted hopefully you will end up with something that looks like this ( I have a bit more highlighting to do on these yet)
  15. Will_annand

    Will_annand Active Member

    NO, Todd, I am not upset with you. Far from it, your work is excellent and I was glad for your writeup.

    Just with the way some things are laid out in other forums.
    I continually have friends refering me to different sites where you can find things, only to find out they are "member only" sites. I have one Hotmail email address setup for just such sites. currently it receives about 50+ spam emails a day.

    My experience has been that some forums/ "member sites" sell their email addresses so they can afford to run the forum.

    That is what I am upset about. I promised myself I would not sign up for anymore forums. I belong to 3 for Model RR and 4 for my business needs (CD and DVD Production).
  16. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    No worries buddy, its my site ( mine and a couple partners that is) And i wouldnt do that to ya, Promise cross my heart and if i ever did may my ex wife haunt me for another 100 grand!!! :D
  17. Will_annand

    Will_annand Active Member

    Well, Tile Dude, old buddy, you convinced me...

    I went and joined up. Just to see what you guys do in there. :D
    Some interesting "How To's" :thumb:
  18. Iron Goat

    Iron Goat Member

    Awesome rock work, TG.... thanks for sharing.

  19. Tileguy

    Tileguy Member

    Thanks Bob!! :)
    Just cause i'm over there doesnt mean ive abandoned my gauge friends, on the contrary, as the initial load of start up eases up some i'll be around here more often seeing what you all are up to.
    Besides, someones got to check up on Val once in a while :)

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