Hi guys, I have noticed that most of you are across the pond, and I know that you normally do things on a grander scale than we do in the UK, but I'm hoping that you might be able to help. A bit of background: I am trying to design a railroad for my 12 year old son & myself. I used to model in 'N' many years ago. Started as continental when I was small and then changed to US, but I gave up and sold all of my equipment and rolling stock due to a lack of space when we moved house 11 years ago. I have in the last 12 months (in anticipation of one of the kids flying the coop ) been building a collection of HO rolling stock and Santa Fe loco's. Well the time has come & I finally have a spare room that I can use to once again get in to this great hobby. I have been doing other modeling in this time, to 'keep my hand in', just not railroads. :cry: What I am trying to achieve: I am after an industrial railroad set around the Santa Fe region (there will be no passenger cars) with plenty of shunting/switching action for both my son & I. What I have come up with so far is basically 2 sides of the spare room, one for him & one for myself, where we can both do our own thing as well as delivering traffic to each other. I have decided that I would like 2, possibly 3 main industries. These being, Walthers Valley Cement factory, a container yard and possibly an oil refinery/depot. My son has said that he would like some sort of incline so that trains can also run at a level that is above the main line. I would like if it is possible, a turntable with a 3 stall roundhouse. I have decided on a lower level three track, which will be purely functional (no scenery) as a staging area, where full trains will sit until needed. The problems: (You knew there would be some ) There are two main problems. The first is that the room happens to be the smallest in the house! It is 8' x 8' 5", 244cm x 257cm The second, is the fact that I'm under strict instructions from 'Er indoors' that there must be a bed left in the room so that it can be used as a guest room. :curse: I have decided to put the bed on coasters (little wheels) so that it can be pulled out from under the layout to be used. So this pretty much limits the size to 2' on two walls and 1' on the door side & the window side. (The window is opposite the door) Although I would like a turntable, my longest loco is a 4-8-4, which would mean having a turntable that is some 22" in diameter. What we have so far: I have used Atlas's freeware CAD program to try and design a railroad. The lower staging level I am happy with, but the top main level I am not. These can be seen at http://www.budgetwebsiteservices.co.uk/home/railway One major problem here is the fact that Atlas only have one turntable in this program and this is half the size of the one that would be required for the 4-8-4. Where the door is, I am going to hinge part of the layout so that it will swing like a gate into the room for access and then be shut once in the room to complete the circuit. I do hope someone can help us out. I think I've covered everything, but if I havent, just shout.