Pulqui II ( Kurt Tank design) in development

Discussion in 'Gallery & Designs' started by Alcides, May 20, 2007.

  1. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    Well, because some external troubles in the last months my card modeling time was near zero :cry:

    But, My notebook was near and I began to lear some tools to card modeling.
    At least I was doing something related. :)

    After play with other planes I've choose this one. This model is a "broken dream" for the Argentinians. One more example of one opportunity through away for the politics.

    I thought was an easy model: no propellers, no complicated curves. In the end was not so easy and the lack of good drawings was one very annoying thing. But I wanted to finish so I continued.

    Thanks to the help from the friends of the forum and the tutorials I ready to the beta build now. Here is how the model looks in Rhino:

  2. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    And here is how the "unrolled" surfaces look in Rhino:


    I promise some pictures of the beta build for the next weekend. My time in the week is very limited.

    Thanks for read
  3. Rick Thomson

    Rick Thomson Member

    Kurt Tank? The designer of the FW-190 and the Huckebein?

    Good looking A/C looks alot like a Mig 17. We Canadians threw away a world beater in the late 50's as well, sometimes I think our national motto should read "Shoulda, coulda, dinna..."
  4. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    Yes. He emigrated to Argentina after the war. He and her engineers began the development of several planes here. Sadly a change in the political situation ended all the developments.

    We have a long history of democracy interruptions and projects throw away just they originated in the opposite side.

    Enough of politics. The plane flights in 1950 and of course looks like the contemporary planes: Mig-15 and Sabre f86.
  5. Rick Thomson

    Rick Thomson Member

    It's a good looking bird, I hope you keep up the development.
  6. Richard

    Richard Member


    a very interesting subject, looking great so far!

  7. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    Ok. Thanks to NOBI tutorial I've finished the strip subject.

    The colors are done but Now I've to work in the most difficult part: instructions :cry:

    But Ok, here is a picture to update the status:


    News about beta test soon :)
  8. Amazyah

    Amazyah Senior Member

    That's looking fantastic Alcides!
    I think anyone can see that you have put a lot of work and time into this project and it shows!8)

    If you need any help with the English content and composition and/or written instruction, just let me know.
    I would be honored to assist you with your production!:wink:

    Shouldn't it be built first, in order to get the best possible set of instructions?
    Maybe, if you're ready, you could ask for volunteer beta builders, who (will have/will try) to make time for collaboration.

    It's a beautiful subject and a beautiful job! 8)
    It has been enjoyable to see your progression, first hand!
    Thanks for sharing this with us!

  9. damraska

    damraska Member

    At the end of World War II, German aviation specialists and wind tunnel data ended up in the hands of many countries including the United States, Soviet Union, Great Britain, France, and Sweden. The data on swept wing performance, in particular, strongly influenced many jet designs of the day. Anyway, many of the German aviation ideas were ultimately explored in other counties, in addition to or in conjunction with native ideas on the subject. The MiG-15, North American F-86, Saab J 29, and of course this aircraft all bear a strong resemblance to the Ta 183 because they all leveraged off of similar engineering and aerodynamic ideas--one engine, nose inlet, swept wings, barrel shape. Did all those engineering teams try to copy the Ta 183? Probably not, but just knowing such a thing existed, and having that wind tunnel and engineering data, probably influenced them. Obviously, in the case of this aircraft, Kurt Tank very much was continuing his work on the Ta 183.

    As an aside, Convair consulted with Dr. Alexander Lippisch to produce the XF-92A which ultimately evolved into the F-102 and later F-106. I wonder if his ideas also influenced the Saab Draken.

    Anyway, yay for more jets!

  10. Maurice

    Maurice Member

    Not to mention the Lavockin La-15 ...

    This is going very well Alcides.
  11. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    Thanks for you kind words.

    Offer accepted. I think to write the text in Spanish. After that I'm going to attemp a translation. At this poing I'm going to send the document to you.

    Yes. sure. I'm asked gerardo( Milenio3) to help me with the beta and he kindly accepted. If another member want to help I don't have any problems. The only problem is the model hasn't instructions yet.

    Thank you again. Rusell.
  12. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    Doug, Maurice Thank you.

    By the way Maurice, I need help to produce a clean schema for the instructions any idea?
  13. Lex

    Lex Dollmaker

    This is the first time I read this thread, and I thought... HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED SUCH A GREAT DESIGN!! Nice work Alcides! Must have been tough work, but keep it up.

    Also, Rhino's inbuilt renderer (or Flamingo also) can render instruction pictures nicely, you can try moving parts away from each other and then do a rendering. If you want a non-realistic cartoon effect then Penguin plug-in is the best choice (which further adds to budget...)
  14. Alcides

    Alcides Member


    Thanks for your comments.

    I've managed to render some images like this:


    But, some lines are no so clear like the Nobi's. Maybe you can suggest some settings for the render?
  15. NOBI

    NOBI Active Member

    Maybe you can try Dimension > Make 2D Drawing :)
  16. Maurice

    Maurice Member

    I think Nezard and NOBI have covered it. Just link the parts images together in a chain and branches that leads along the path you think is best for assembly.
    But do continue to ask by if you need more.
  17. Alcides

    Alcides Member

    Oh, man. Was so simple. :oops: So many options, so few time.

    I'm the methodical guy, I the past just before doing anything I test every option but now I've three children so I don't have so much time anymore.

    But, Now I've friends like Nezard, Maurice and NOBI. :grin: THANKS for your help !!!

    Here is quick and dirty test:


    Now, no more excuses, I've to work in the instructions :roll:.
  18. Bmer

    Bmer New Member

    Avro Arrow...

    Yeah...imagine Canada as a world leader in defence technology...

    *Shakes himself out of the dream.*
  19. milenio3

    milenio3 Active Member

    Alcides, thanks for the firsts. I'll study them tomorrow first thing at the office (I think they can live without me for a couple of hours).
  20. milenio3

    milenio3 Active Member

    Pulqui II in construction right now.

    I'll post pictures later today.

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