Peter von Danzig

Discussion in 'Ship & Watercraft Models' started by Dancooper, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Hello, I realize how it has been since I last posted something here.
    Since my new workplace still isn't ready (read... it's far too chilly to clean up the attick), I had to find something suitably small to be allowed to work on the kitchen table.

    It's the first time I start a subject of this kind, in such a small scale, so I'll just have to see where it brings me.

    Anyway, here we go :

    The coverart of the kit :

    The false keel in 2mm cardboard :

    The frames added to the keel :

    On the next view you that de carboard seems wet, that is because I've treated it with G4, which is a liquid resin to make the cardboard stiff, hard and sandable :

    The next step will no be the faring of the frames, I can't say I'm looking forward to this.

    If anyone has experience with these little ships from this publisher, please let me know how they build up, since I don't seem to find any buildlog nor finished model.
  2. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    Put the deck on first, this will give the frame a lot of strength. Most ship builders do, I do. When you do the planking, dry fit first, to make sure they fit, once you are sure, do the planks, two at a time, in other words, when you start at the bottom, do each side of the ship's bottom, that way the frame will not bend. If the planks are pre-cut, start at the ends making your way towards the center. It is easier to cut and fit center planks than to try and fit end planks that may be too long or too short. If they are not pre-cut, then work your way up from the bottom. Do the Railings up on top and try and meet your way down the bottom. It really depends on how much fabrication is done already and how the model is designed. In any event, do the bottom first, in pairs, opposite sides. :)
  3. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Thank you for the info, Zathros.
    Actually, I have one side fared now (as far as I can judge it) without any problems of regidity.
    The planking on this little ship is actually the same way a wooden ship should be build. eg every stroke is a full length plank (those ships were quite short in those days), preprinted in the right shape. I'll post pictures when I'm that far.
    However since the only Polish word I can read is "Wodka" (not recommended while modelling though), I don't have a clue whether the planking needs to be laminated or not. As it is, it is printed on heavy paper, and some are even doublesided which leads me to the conclusion I shouldn't laminate them.
    PS : on the last photograph you can see little black markings on the false keel and some of the frames, I'm pretty sure those mark the positions of the individual planks.
  4. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    You did one side one the ship first! O.K., one reason why that is not usually done is that sometimes, the ship does not end up being symmetric. The end will tell. Post a pic of the planked side, I'd like to see it! :)
  5. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    No, no, a little misunderstanding here ; I haven't started planking (as a woodmodeller, I know it would not be done at one side), I was talking about faring the frames, sanding and filing to get a smooth flow from bow to stern :)

    But before I proceed now, I'll need to get our youngest from school.
  6. lehcyfer

    lehcyfer Member

    On Polish forum Kartonwork there is a big thread about building similar ship - "Wodnik", by Syzyf. He started building models with this ship and loves experiments so the thread is long and very precise. Translation should help a bit, and there are lots of pictures which should be helpful.

    In this type of planking I'd recommend filling the spaces in the framework with foam, then smoothening the surface with putty. Otherwise the planking will show unsightly "cow ribs".

    Another way around this is to thicken the planks - for example by gluing them on 0,5mm card - then the ribs must be filed down a bit to accomodate for the thickness. Also this time don't use water based glue for gluing the planks on - the water soften the card which leads to "cow ribs" again - you can use for example polymer glue.
  7. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    That's really good advice. It is amazing how many ships you see ruined because of that (ribs showing)! I haven't used water based glue for so long I forget people still use it. Thanks Lehcyfer!!! :)
  8. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Thank you for the very usefull link, and thank you for reminding me of the foam, I should have thought of it myself, since I've used that technique before when building my first one :

    That one (RN Duilio) has never been finished yet, but is still on ice... she's one tough lady to tackle...
  9. lehcyfer

    lehcyfer Member

    On the same forum there are two unfinished threads on building Peter von Danzig: (unfinished, very poor) (unfinished, better, using self adhesive "wooden" wallpaper)

    On another forum, Konradus, I found some more threads: (unfinished, passable, with veneer used instead of paper) (unfinished) (a gallery of built model)

    Hope it will help some more :)
  10. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Thanks again for the links, "bringer of light", although I'm not able to see the last 3 sites (due to the fact that I'm not a member, and don't understand enough Polish to know where to click to register), but even the two uncompleted links will be a help to me.
    Meanwhile I'm busy stuffing her volupteous body with the same blue styropore I used for Duilio... I'll let the glue... yes, waterbased glue, since the cardboard has been treated with G4 set for a day before starting to cut and sand vigorously (excuse my spelling, English is only my 3th language... don't think for a moment my second language (French) is any better though... just the opposite, I would say).
    Anyway, even though this little project is something as an "in-between" tinghy, I have "bigger" plans for her... yep, I have scanned every page of the book and I will try to build her in wood as well, on a scale of 1/84 (metric) why 1/84 ? Well, that's the same scale as my next big wood project will be : HMS Victory :) A remarkable coincidence is that 1/200 scale thickness of the frames transferred to 1/84 is almost (not exactly, but close enough) 5mm, wich is a standard thickness for plywood :D

    Hard to believe I once bought that styrofoam to build an RC Parkflyer F-18 (seeing the color, guess what ?) ... but the birth of our youngest kind of cancelled all flying plans, real or (semi)scale... a part from a couple of hours on the T-Rex 450 I haven't flown a bit the last 9 years... I wonder if I could still do it though.
  11. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Oh, and no, that's no Wodka besides the ship, it's South African dry white wine :)

    PS : for the first time I notice there is a second window when scrolling down that says "Similar treats"... someone at least started this very same little boat as well it seems :D
  12. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Anyway... and this will be my last post (hehe, get it, I'm belgian... last post... Last Post (argh nvm it's in heritence we got from WWI)) for tonight... if I ever get that far into the build when sails will be involved, I most certainly won't use the preprinted sails supplied in the booklet.

    If you will excuse me now, I must have my daily flirt with a cute human paladin in the World of Warcraft ;)
  13. lehcyfer

    lehcyfer Member

    Sorry about that - I fixed the links - they should work now.

    Victory in 1:84 scale will be enormous. I wish you good luck with that. 18 years ago I was walking on her deck. It is a magnificent ship for sure and one of my dreams as modeler too :)
  14. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    Goes to show my ignorance, I did not know the ship still existed!!

    @DanCooper, you English is excellent. I have traveled much of America and believe me, you are doing just fine! :)
  15. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Well a bit for Christmas, but this turkey is almost stuffed :)

  16. Haereticus

    Haereticus Member

    Not only does it still exist, it's actually still in commission, to my knowledge, making it the oldest commissioned ship in the world.

    This build is looking really good. I wish there were more paper models of pre-C19th ships out there! Does anyone know if the HMS Beagle has been done in paper?
  17. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Nothing done much today, but after the weekend I should have a couple of days to work on her again :)
  18. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Sanding atm, so nothing to show yet :)
  19. Dancooper

    Dancooper Member

    Well, the frames have been complete stuffed with styrofoam, and the deck has been installed.

    Even though, according the kit, the deck should have been one piece, I found it completely impossible to install, so I have made a clean cut lenthwise and installed it in two parts.
  20. Vince

    Vince Member

    How do you sand styrofoam without making a ruddy awful mess? I've only tried it a couple of times and probably did it wrong, but results were not pleasant.

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