Northwest model contests

Discussion in 'North America' started by Masamune_Washington, Mar 18, 2004.

  1. Trolling around for a reason to continue building I noted two local contests.
    One at 196th & highway99, Lynnwood, Washington, USA
    March 20,2004 that's Saturday at "Galaxy Hobby"
    They do a "Sci-fan" contest in October.

    Just a few miles from that on the other side of Lynnwood is "Hobbytown,USA", just west of "Alderwood Mall".
    The address reads to be near 184th St & 33rd Ave.
    It's March 27, 2004.

    I'm furiously scraping together some transport boxes and gluing a few last parts together.
    Time for another round of: "Wow, is that paper?"
    We need enough to force them to create a cardstock category :D
  2. rickstef

    rickstef Guest

    Good Luck Masamune.

    Pictures when you win, and from the displays


    ARMORMAN Guest

    I joined my local IPMS (that is International Paper Modeller Society...right?) chapter and have been subtlely changing their way of thought (I've yet to build a plastic model - everything I've done is sculpted, scratchbuild or paper). They are starting to add more categories (one person won with a working paper carousel in one of the categories last year).
  4. Well, I'm sure you all have it easier.
    I've been to one previous contest at Galaxy Hobby, and to two of their monthly meetings over the last two years.
    When one, who appears to be known to all there, declares "IF IT'S NOT STAR TREK IT'S NOT WORTH BUILDING" and no one even mumbles a retort they must all be similarly narrow-minded.
    Most couldn't identify the Colonial Viper, one actually asked the poor guy from which Federation ship is this shuttlepod from -_-
    Needless to say a quarter of the entries were plastic Star Trek models, and one cardmodel U.S.S. Reliant 8)

    The "ANIMIE ROBOT" (that's how they spelt it) category there was a Dendrobium from Gundam (huge $300+ 3' long kit) snapped together by a 10-year-old. A few various mecha from Gundam. An AV-98 Ingram Patrol Labor from Gundam, A Tekkaman Blastor from Gundam, the Decepticon Devastator and Autobot Convoy from Gundam...
    Yup, every "newer-than 1970" robot model was generically spoken of as "Gundam" by the shop owner -_-

    I was witness to some hazards at these same two contests before.
    If they don't recognize the character there is no impact unless it is the largest on the table (Convoy is now 15" formerly 7").
    Someone WILL move your kit to make room for theirs, be sure to mount to a base or it will end up in a ridiculous pose just before judging.
    There were these two boys that went around and touched all the kits.
    One time I saw a little girl grab one off the table, spin around and go "daddy, what's this?" :shock: (the builder of that particular kit handled his with these purple rubber gloves and microfiber cloths)

    What is most annoying is I don't have "WaltherPPK-Gunrobo" (AKA Megatron) completed yet. A spectacular diorama with LEDs and battle damage with the Transformers' leaders in 15" tall glory going at it in their last battle with a nice chunk of backdrop (ref "TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE") would draw the attention I'm looking for. "Sorry guys, I need the whole end of the table for this paper model". It's a goal for the October contests.
  5. 57townsman

    57townsman Member

    Ah, that's what I like...someone who's not afraid to think BIG! :lol:

  6. I was told I shouldn't be there, and was made to feel unwelcome.
    The only two paper models in the whole building:
    And the mysterious award winning "Ingram Gundam" (black&white holding the revolving pistol):

    The categories were reworked mid-contest and needless to say that the winners were greeted in familiar ways. It will take more than a good model to break into this good-old-boys club.

    One might wonder why this store has a wall of anime kits that don't sell. Maybe if the owner knew anything about the subject he wouldn't be _randomly_ ordering these kits.
    Needless to say he outright proved again he can't tell Patlabor from Gundam, and no one corrected him. (Not hard to tell; Patlabor kits have "PATLABOR" printed in big letters on the box, and Gundam for some reason has "GUNDAM"). The difference is as distinct as Coke or Pepsi, Ford or Chevy, PC or Mac...

    Be embarasssed Bob, not knowing anything about an entire category of the product you sell. Gaze upon this sinner:
  7. Peter H

    Peter H Member

    The problem is universal Masumune...

    My boys are up for their birthdays and I wanted a Poke'mon Ruby and Saphire cartridge so they can battle on their GBA's and had a 15 minute conversation with some 20 year old shop assistant flunkie as to what I even was talking about. She flipped through pages of catalogues and said she didn't have any. It was me who spotted a Saphire cart in the display cabinet and now I have to wait to get the other cart from a shop in the nearest city.

    Personally I think suppliers should be providing comprehensive notes on all this material and the retailers *should* read it be imformed.

    In your case I'm sorry to hear what happened. I think we should call it the "other than Barbie doll" syndrome.
  8. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    Masamune, you have every right to feel indignant about being told you shouldn't be there (I can hear a banjo and a guitar tuning up.....) but I don't think that is too unusual with a newcomer arriving at an established group or event like that. Are there any other groups in your area to try, maybe you'll get a better welcome there.

    I think you might be being a little hard on Embarassed Bob however! Maybe he doesn't know about Gundam, but he might know a lot about something else.... Most enthusiasts spend their time learning more and more about less and less, until they know everything about nothing. That's my excuse, anyway. So when you meet someone else who knows less than you do about something, don't despise him for it; try to educate him! But be prepared to educated about something else in return. He may well know an awful lot more about a whole lot less than you do!

    Here is a little test, Masamune....

    1. What do the words Grange, Hall, King and Castle have in common?
    2. Why would a U-boat Kapitan be frightened of snowflakes?
    3. 25lb RPs and 60lb RPs were used for exactly the opposite purposes for which they were designed. What purposes, and why the swap?
    4. Why would an armourer working on a 20mm Hispano Mk. V cannon
    have some modelling clay in his tool box?

    Anyone else care to show how much they know about so little?

    PS what is a Gundam, anyway? Educate me......
  9. Joseph

    Joseph Member

    ad 1) if you add Manor, could be GWR engines :roll:
  10. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    10 points to Joseph. Anyone else?

  11. JRSeese

    JRSeese Member

    Didn't ships fire "snowflake rockets" into the air to illuminate the surface at night - and hopefully reveal any U-Boats lurking about on the surface trying to attack from the darkness?
  12. charliec

    charliec Active Member

    Give it a try...

    The 25lb RP was intended as an armour piercing and the 60lb as a high explosive round. The 25lb wouldn't penetrate the hull of a Tiger tank but the 60lb has enough explosive power to disable any tank (often by blowing the turret off). I'm not sure what the swap over between the 25lb solid warhead and the HE warhead was - I'll hypothesise the solid war head was used against fortifications since the HE round tended to explode on the surface without causing much damage.


  13. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    JR, 10 points to you too!

  14. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    Charlie, 10 points for correct identification, but you miss the bonus. The 60 lb RP (Rocket Projectile, originally called a UP, for Unrotating Projectile) was originally intended for anti-submarine use, and the 25 lb warhead, which was a simple non-explosive solid steel head, was intended for anti-tank use. However, as Charlie points out, when the 60 lb warhead exploded, even a near-miss would easily disable a tank, usually by damaging its running gear. They were used extensively by RAF and RN aircraft during WWII, and developments were still in use in the 1970s.

    The 25 lb RP had an even more interesting story. It was discovered that if fired at a ship, or submarine, and the rocket fell short of the target, the shape of the nose would force the rocket in an upward curving trajectory through the water. This meant the target could still be hit, this time below the waterline, and with enough force to hole it. The still-burning rocket motor would add to the mayhem. An improved double-ogive steel warhead was devloped, weighing 28 lb, and these were used by Swordfish, Mosquitos, Beaufighters etc on anti-submarine and anti-shipping strikes.

    Sometimes you will see what looks like a 60 lb RP, but instead of the typical bulbous 'bomb' on the front, a flat-nosed cylindrical head will be fitted. These are concrete training rounds; weighs the same, similar ballistics but much cheaper and safer to use for practise.

    And I carry all this nonsense in my head.....

  15. Peter H

    Peter H Member

    Can I try for 5 points and no bonus ?

    The model clay was used for either of two purposes as I see it.

    Either a clearance was checked in the cannon. This cannon could not be recocked in-flight so they would have to be 100% and I wouldn't like to explain why the cannon jammed.

    The model clay was used to form a cap over the nasty end of the barrel to stop frost and rubbish getting in the barrels. I gather there were alternatives used to a piece of doped fabric for cannon barrels.
  16. Gundamned

    There is an amount of professionalism I expect in people.
    If you are selling something I expect you at least be able to categorize your product in researchable ways. "Gundam" is the buzz word, a responsible salesman would be able to tell Gundam from the other two-thirds of kits on that wall.
    This place doesn't sell U-boat seeking flares, 20mm cannons and whatnot.

    Gundam (created by Yoshiyuki Tomino I think) is one title amongst dozens of available series that have model kits.
    Here's a load of Gundam mecha images to refer to:

    My real complaint is I corrected him last year and briefly explained the difference, especially troublesome because Patlabor is my favorite mecha. How would you like a shop owner that specializes in a materials you frequently use consistently mis-naming products that are in your knowledge and displayed at his elbo?

    Regardless of what reality is, brandnames become generic titles. This has happened to many tradmark or company names, such as
    Kleenex = facial tissue
    Velcro = hook & loop tape
    Eggo = toaster waffle
    Poptart = toaster pastry
    Messerschmitt = all German war planes (but these fokkers were Messerschmitts!)
    Draino = pipe clog remover

    There are some catchwords which make the web a search hazzard, misdirected associations like:
    anime (strictly meaning Japanese animation) = any illustrated or cartoon pornography.
    With "anime" being forcibly related to S&M and MILF is a deterant, Galaxy Hobby labeled their Sci-Fan model contest category "animie", this spelling is exclusively pornographic (go check it in a search engine). At this point I'm wondering if the choice of spelling is an intentional disrespect.
  17. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    Peter, 5 points. It was used to check the recoil of the firing mechanism, indicating just how far the recoiling mass moved backwards.

    Well done you lot!

  18. Gil

    Gil Active Member

    It's as I always say, "It's the same, no matter which language you spell Bozo in".

  19. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    I think I should declare Josph the winner, as not only did he correctly identify the name sequence, but added another, demonstrating his superior knowledge.

    Masume, I understand your frustration, but perhaps the guy just isn't interested in such models, other than as boxes of product he can turn into cash. I agree, he might well sell more of these items to enthusiasts such as yourself if he displayed a bit more knowledge on the line, but in the great scheme of things he probably has many more lines, and customers, to worry about. Being in the hobby trade he probably has particular interests of his own; if you shared those interests, Embarassed Bob might well be your best mate, a font of knowledge and advise. I don't know this of course, its just 40-odd years of observation of staff in hobby shops.

    We are mostly in a minority of one sort or another. Being modellers makes us all oddballs as far as the rest of the world is concerned! Being interested in a particular subject within the modelling canon makes us even more of a minority. Being interested in the more esoteric subjects, such as Russian Destroyers, First Word War Aces of the Austro-Hungarian Empire or Speedway bikes, or Gundam, usually means we are in a tiny, tiny minority. Of one, sometimes.

    Which was the point I was making originally. Rejoice if you find a kindred spirit (and the Internet has done more to put like-minded people together than anything else) but don't castigate someone if they don't happen to share your enthusiasm for your field. If you have already offered him the advice you think he needs, and he didn't take you up on your offer, well, you offered! He ain't interested!

  20. wunwinglow

    wunwinglow Active Member

    Ho Ho Ho! Takes one to know one! We are all Bozos! I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave previously......


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