Miller Engineering and lights...

Discussion in 'FAQs' started by Sir_Prize, Mar 30, 2005.

  1. Sir_Prize

    Sir_Prize Member

    Anybody fiddled with their Expermental Kits? :confused:

    I'm looking to make my own sign.
    I was hoping I could make the "sign"
    attach it to the electroluminisent material.
    Then paint the "unwanted" areas black, like a
    normal neon sign. Also, I would like to wire it
    up with the LED's I'll have in the building the
    sign is on.

    Any thoughts, tips, bewares? :confused: :eek:

    or I'm I outta luck, and must walk this path myself.
  2. ezdays

    ezdays Out AZ way


    Can't help you, but I'm interested in what others might say. I'm ready to start putting a few signs up myself and have just read about these in the ads.
  3. FrankG

    FrankG Member

    EL Sheets

    I haven't used the EL sheets either, but might be able to share some info.

    First, these are made by numerous manufacturers and while Miller offers a small kit, the sheets are usually available in sizes up to 24". If you know you're only going to use a few colors, it might be more economical to purchase a couple of the larger sheets. Then to power it, you can follow one of the online tutorials. From what I can tell, it's just a few Radio Shack parts required.

    These are used extensively is sci-fri modeling. Especially Star Trek and Star Wars models. There are some sites and forums about sci-fi lighting. Try to start.
  4. Sir_Prize

    Sir_Prize Member

    FrankG- Der! I had a brain fart on that one. Guess I need to turn in my Sci-Fi fan badge...
    That site is cool! Thanks, dude!
    I'm looking at an N scale sign, not much over an inch in any direction, if at all.

    EZdays- Ya, they're cool... but they ain't got one I need for the dio. I'm doing.
  5. FrankG

    FrankG Member

    I'm also N scale and now doing some lighting. Let me know how it turns out.

    Right now, I'm doing a neon sign for inside of a window. I've designed a black and white sign and printed on transparency paper with my laser printer. So the white remains clear and the black becomes the light-block. As a single printout, the black isn't very opaque, so I've printed two.

    I've colored the backside of the outer one with colored sharpies (write on anything, remain tranparent). Then I've sandwiched a piece of plain white paper between then. The combination of the double print out and white page makes the black window area a great light block. Then I just put a piece of clear styrene over it all for the window glazing since the printed transparency has a flat finish.

    I've tested this and it looks great, but I haven't installed it yet. When I do, I'll post some photos.
  6. FrankG

    FrankG Member

    I did some more experimenting with the neon signage and I've actually found a better method. It's a slightly modified version of what I posted above. I'm going to start a new thread for it in Scratching and Batchinb because I need some advice on it.
  7. spitfire

    spitfire Active Member

    Ken, the experimenter's kit has the advantage of coming pre-wired for six separate pieces, ie signs once you cut it out.

    I did some designs for Miller Engineering a while back (the multi-graphic series) and for those the graphics are printed on transparent, adhesive-backed material.

    Subtle colours do not work well - you're better off with 100% ink coverages such as 100% Cyan + 100% Yellow = Green, 100% Magenta + 100% Yellow = Red, etc. The unlighted sign material looks pinkish, but when lit has a distinct blue glow.

    They now have a power pack that allows the signs to operate without batteries - a distinct plus especially for N-scale.

    One other point - the material does not give off heat so it's safe for your buildings.

  8. Sir_Prize

    Sir_Prize Member

    Spitfire- Thanks... That's right you had mentioned that a bit ago. Can't remember which though.
    Was looking at covering the whole thing.
    All 1/2" by 1/8" of it.
    Looking at making it a John Deere sign with my friends name.
    So, top half would be green with the deer in yellow and bottom yellow with friends name in green.

    Frank- That tutorial over in scratch forum was great.

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