Mac OS Compatibility Issues and Solutions

Discussion in 'Off Topic - Card Modeler Lounge' started by vbsargent, Apr 17, 2012.

  1. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    Those of us that own Macs salute and thank you. On that front I can say that even my 8 year old Emac (1ghz processor, 528mb ram, 80gig hard drive) was able to open Pepakura using an emulator. I can't remember which one I used, but if you want to know, PM me and I'll look it up when I get home.
  2. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    For ever 1 of those, there are 40 o 50 P.C.'s doing the same thing. I have built every computer I have ever owned. The first code I learned was APL back in 1972. Those E-Mac's, that was when Apple thought people didn't need CD-Roms wasn't it? :rolleyes:
  3. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    problem is that to install an emulator you need to install a copy of windows
  4. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    at work during a break I used a pc to vizualize the files with pepakura and I understand what you mean. I had not realized how the program would replace instructions by showing the correspondence between 3d and 2d as well as which edge connects to which.
    Too bad the pdo format is not documented it would be an interesting project to write a viewer. Ideally one that could be ported to an iPad.
  5. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    No, the Emac was the larger 17" flat screen "all in one" aimed at educators. I think the loss of the cd-rom was only in the last year or so (unless you are talking way back when they were still shipping with 3.5 floppy's).

    The model I got was the first 1 ghz processor and the first macs with DVD burners. Of course with a measly 80gig hard drive it, like almost all macs, suffered from a serious lack of storage capacity.

    Yes, you will need to get your hands on a copy of windows. I'm not sure how backward compatible Pepakura is, but you may be able to get an old copy of Windows for cheap.

    When I get home tonight I'll post the emulator and Windows version that I run.
  6. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    You can go to, and get an off-lease, used PC with Windows XP Professional installed, includes a 12 month parts and labor warranty for $129.00 dollars. Yes, $129.00 . There is no excuse. Apple computers do nothing better than a P.C.. Buying Windows and turning your computer into a P.C. but calling it an "Apple/Bootcamp/whatever" just means you purchased an overpriced P.C., had to put Windows in it anyways, and now have an overpriced PC. with two different operating systems. Nothing wrong with that, but if I was going to do a dual boot, the 2nd O.S. would be Linux.

    I have a Linux CD that I can stick into any computer, and it will give me all the passwords, and if it does not discern them, it will reset them to "no password", and the computer becomes mine. It is essentially, a small O.S. I use this for people who have forgotten their Passwords. That includes the Administrator Passwords

    I guess the reason this bothers me is that people who use Apple products always throw their problems with .PDO's, Rhino3D files, etc. on the software writers, instead of their Apple machines incompatibility, and now, that Apples are P.C.'s, just with a different O.S., it's kind of ridiculous. .:cry:
  7. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    I am not sure PC vs Mac is the correct topic here (sorry to play moderator to an admin).
    I am trying out with virtualbox (a VM) I had an old copy of XP.
    Now about windows vs mac:
    1) I can't get another computer, no matter how cheap, more for a lack of space than for the price of the computer
    2) I switched from windows to Mac (which I initially disliked) in 2008 to program for the iPhone (see I have grown to really enjoy it.
    3) I used to be using only windows at work and home (I'm a software engineer at Dassault Systemes) then Mac at home for my personal developments and I am now responsible for some mobile dev at work and use 99% Mac
  8. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    Don't worry about playing "Moderator to an Admin", I make the final decision, and this is not off topic. It is a relevant issue. A Paper model was released that could not initially use because of the "Mac" computer.

    I find that you are an engineer to be very interesting. I was a master machinist, mold maker, and a tool and dye specialists (it's not die either, that's what happens to all of us in the end) I ended my career programming and designing tooling for 4 axis CNC machinery at Sikorsky Aircraft.

    If money is not the issue and space is, slipping in a new Hard drive and going to W7 (I don't know if you have a 64 bit machine, but they are far more efficient), wouldn't take up any more space, you could even put it (W7) on a Thumb Drive, or USB Hard drive, if you're working off of a Laptop. I have 5 hard drives I hot swap just like this for the same reason. You could also do a dual boot set up, and have the best of both worlds. This would allow you to access files from the other hard drives as they would be slaved to each others operating system and you could set up a folder for just that purpose.

    I build computers, regularly, and I do a lot of CAD. This thread is appropriate because it shows people the options they have. Skewed comments in one direction are what started this conversation but it is amicable, and in the end, someone reading it can find out much useful information, if it is offered. If you like using Mac's and do 99% of your work, that's great. It was just the comment about your "old Mac" computer, which seemed to imply that was is did was something special. Also, the fact that the lack of instructions will make the job much more difficult. Now, if you ever wrote a program that would do that within the Apple operating system, you would help out many.

    Also, if you ever tried out Rhino3D, you would find it to be one of the most intuitive CAD programs ever made. Of course, if your writing programs, it would not be of any use, except the level of design on the models you make would jump exponentially.

    When I see someone with obvious, glaring, talent, who, because of certain choices, lock themselves out of incredible software, used by the majority of others to make, for instance, the tiles for the Space Shuttles, the Virtual Sets for the "Iron Man" movies, and medical instrumentation, down to the modeling of "Nike Sneakers" (the list goes on), because of the use of Non-uniform rational basis spline (NURBS) facilitates the whole process, I just think you are missing out on much.

    The computers I build allow you to boot from whatever drive or USB port or device, you wish.

    Since Rhino3D is not yet available for Mac, but a Beta version, for FREE, by the way, is (McNeel says it won't be released this year, maybe next year), you may want to check it out. You could make some incredible models. This is not a PC vs. Mac discussion. It is an exchange of information on how Mac users can use and obtain models for Mac's. Here's is a link for the Rhino3D "Mac OSX" version:

    Amicable exchanges of information is always a good thing. I am going to move if to it's own thread, and any solutions can be discussed there.
  9. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    As mentioned I'll probably have solved the problem tonight by using virtualbox and windows XP, its too bad that I need such a cumbersome solution for one small program but it will work.
    As for CAD, that is a difficult topic, as mentioned I work for Dassault Systemes we are either the number 1 or 2 CAD company in the world!!! Mostly through our CATIA and solidworks software. I don't think I should be using anything else to design in 3D. Of course they are not officially working on Mac.
    So basically I'll be using CATIA to create 3d models. I am not a designer though so I only know the basis and need to ask friends for advice but it is an interesting learning experience. For the little ship model designing in 3d was overkill although I'll probably reverse the process and go from the 2D to the 3d this week.

    All this to say that Rhino is most likely very good and I'll definitely try it out but for the reasons above I'll use something else when I need to design in 3D.
  10. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    old mac comment I think is from vbsargent.
    That would be interesting the problem is that the pdo format is not documented and seems to be a de facto standard. Right now I'd rather spend my "hobby time" making/designing models but who knows.
  11. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    I confirm that I can now read pdo files by using virtual box. It does require one to have windows so it may not be a solution for everybody but it works for me
  12. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    You use Catia, that is so awesome, I just downloaded Draftsight for Free for the heck of it.

    I thought this thread would be a good idea, so people could come up with solutions, state problems, and share the experiences. I hope you guys didn't mind that I split off the thread. Anyone wishing to get negative will see their posts blotted out. :)

    Have either of you guys checked out the FREE Rhino 5.0 Beta for Mac OS X 10.-06?


    IRhino3D, View native Rhino 3DM files on your iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch

  13. terrinecold

    terrinecold Member

    I'm trying to use CATIA, in the same way it is not because you are an F1 mechanic that you can pilot one. I can do simple things and am particularly familiar with solid modeling but surface modeling is a whole different world and most commands have many inputs which are not really clear to me yet. Since I only use it at work during my lunch break it limits what I can do.
  14. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    There may be YouTube videos. If you ever can catch the I.T. guy, or the Catia sales/technical Rep., try and hit him up for some tutorials. You would be surprised what these guys come up with to help people move up. That serves then well. I obtained thee full documentation on a $450,000 dollar 4 axis CNC center. In one week, not only could I operate it, I started programming it. I was able to get into the maintenance software, and fix this machine or tell the maintenance department right where the problem was. They really appreciated that.

    That was how I ended doing fixture designs, and manufacturing them, then writing the programs for the actual part, which out me in a powerful position, )with lo of back biting and the usual.

    Ask, and ye shall receive! :)

  15. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    Well I -was- a bit confused hen I looked for the comments from terrinecold and couldn't find them. :)

    You asked why someone would buy a Mac- here are my reasons (and I apologise in advance if anyone takes offence, none is meant):
    1) product loyalty
    2) software compatibility- why buy a PC when all my design software is Mac OS?
    3) I have had less issues virus/trojan horse/worm etc wise and very few operational issues in my 24 years of owning Macs, fewer in fact than in the last 15 years of working with PCs.

    It is a simple matter of personal choice. If I have to go through a cumbersome process to get access to a model or piece of software, that is on me, not the developer. If I were a developer and going for the most accessible market, I would design for PCs. Of course now that Apple uses Intel chips that is no longer an issue for newer Macs htat can run any os.

    I did make the comment about my "old Mac". Since I run on a Motorola chip there is nothing that I can do short of getting another machine. And again, I see that as my problem because I choose to run a Mac.

    For those who (like me) have an outdated older Mac, and want to use an emulator, I use Virtual PC 6 with an old copy of Windows 2000. It runs slow, but it runs Pepakura.

    With highest regards,
  16. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    As far as virus's, the denial game that Apple played last week, was not a good sign.

    I don't buy the virus argument, I have not hard a virus in over 15 years. In that time, I have run software that Apple owners only could dream of running. I always have run anti virus programs and just have not the "experience" that Apple users say I am having.

    In fact, I have hooked many virus filled hard drives and cleaned them out (I had an electronic repair shop for 10 years). I have Vantec "66 in 1" Memory reader that allows me to see anything I hook up to it, 66 types of storage (HoT Swapping).

    If I could buy Apple's OS X. whatever, system, to put in the computers that I build, I would give it a try. That Apple has no consideration for people like me, who know how to build their own computers, and upgrade them, and sometimes making, super fast computers, is a real disservice. It's like they are saying "we done want you or your money. Only if you buy exactly what we say you must buy, and you better not change it.

    This is what I don't understand about Apple, why don't they design their O.S. so anything Widows compatible would work on an Apple machine. Also,if Apple sold the O.S. separately, for people like me, who build their own computers, could choose an Apple, and do a dual boot system. Again, this, the biggest downside. You can buy Windows, but can't buy OS X. whatever , because Apple forbids it and it that's that..

  17. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    Since Macs are now Intel based machines they are subject to just about any other virus out there (because many people are dual booting with Mac OS and Windows etc).

    I have never had a virus on my Macs and never needed to use anti-virus software simply because 1) I have an old Motorola based Mac, so the only main os I -CAN- run is Apple os; and 2) the vast, vast majority of worms, trojans, virus's etc are written for Windows.

    That said I would never EVER run a newer Intel based Mac without it. Sometimes using "vintage" outdated hardware has its perks. ;-)

    It's not a question of user experience, and any Mac owner that says you are getting virus's etc isn't using their head. Now possible exposure, there is no ignoring the fact that Microsoft is and has been the main target of hackers in the last 15 years or so. That is simply because they were the biggest kid on the block. If Macs were the dominant computer in the market for the last twenty or so years then you'd have PC owners smugly pointing at all the infected Macs out there.

    I agree that many, MANY, of Apple's decisions have been boneheaded. Hard drive's too small for the machine, not licensing clones early enough then yanking the licenses, not being compatible with PCs gah! But it is possible to build a PC and run Leopard, Snow Leopard and Lion (the latest 3 os's) on them. It has become popular enough that they are often called Hackintoshes. Doubt that I'll ever go that route, but it's there.

    My take: Windows, Mac OS, Linux (though I admit that I've never used it)- meh- whatever it takes to run my software will make me happy. :-D
  18. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    I have been doing good with W7 64 Pro. I have a brand new in the box Vista Professional 65 bit. It's still in the box.
  19. vbsargent

    vbsargent Member

    You're liking 7? Cool. We're getting ready to roll it out at work. It was prematurely pushed out on a number of machines with compatibility issues here . . . . caused a bit of a ruckus with a few computers crashing (including some vip's w/encrypted info). :eek:
  20. sgoti

    sgoti Member

    Uh, how do you get a 65 bit OS (or anything)? :mrgreen:

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