I have taken a couple of hours away from the forum to think about this. I am sorry to see the forum going the way it is. So I am going away for a while, at least until the crap that is floating about is sorted out. I am an advogate of free speech, but being nasty to other members, members asking to be removed and the issues about copyright causing members to be nasty towards each other (which I got dragged into) is taking things to far. The problems about copyright and name calling are not good. But the final straw was when a member started taking the p**s out of another member who has just left. This thread http://www.cardmodels.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8669 is the one I have objections to. What I did not like was the fact that the a few moderators found the comment's funny. I hope that I have made a few friends on here and I did enjoy the forum, but the time has come to say bye. To those that want to keep in touch, please do. To the admin guys good luck and I hope the forum survives to become stronger.