beejay said:
Beaverford was in the same convoy as Jervis Bay and took on the blocking role after Jervis Bay was sunk - she held off the Admiral Scheer for something like 4 hours until finally torpedoed, no survivors.
Regards,
Charlie
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Beaverford was in the same convoy as Jervis Bay and took on the blocking role after Jervis Bay was sunk - she held off the Admiral Scheer for something like 4 hours until finally torpedoed, no survivors.
Regards,
Charlie
beejay said:
Beaverford was in the same convoy as Jervis Bay and took on the blocking role after Jervis Bay was sunk - she held off the Admiral Scheer for something like 4 hours until finally torpedoed, no survivors.
Regards,
Charlie
Hey guys this is great.
As I understand it the auxiliary cruisers were part built with government money with gun mounts built in. Kind of opposite of the commerce raiders ie not secret! It would be cool to have a pre-war liner in company livery and a war time version in grey!
Ajax anyone? I fear I may have to resort to Airfix!
Best
D
As I understand it the auxiliary cruisers were part built with government money with gun mounts built in. Kind of opposite of the commerce raiders ie not secret! It would be cool to have a pre-war liner in company livery and a war time version in grey!
Ajax anyone? I fear I may have to resort to Airfix!
Best
D
Hey guys this is great.
As I understand it the auxiliary cruisers were part built with government money with gun mounts built in. Kind of opposite of the commerce raiders ie not secret! It would be cool to have a pre-war liner in company livery and a war time version in grey!
Ajax anyone? I fear I may have to resort to Airfix!
Best
D
As I understand it the auxiliary cruisers were part built with government money with gun mounts built in. Kind of opposite of the commerce raiders ie not secret! It would be cool to have a pre-war liner in company livery and a war time version in grey!
Ajax anyone? I fear I may have to resort to Airfix!
Best
D
Thank you Charlie,
I immediately read up on Convoy HX84. All brave men. The reason why I had not heard of Beaverford before is because she was not an Armed Merchant Cruiser, she was a defensively equipped Merchant Ship, a liner,with a civilian crew, which I think makes their actions even more laudable.
Thank you Maurice, yes, you are right. In my defence,I got that info from an early edition of 'Warships of World War 2' by Lenton and Colledge, which expressly states that AJAX was shorter overall from the rest of the group. This info is corrected in Lenton's later work 'British and Empire Warships of the Second World War'.
David don't give up on AJAX. There must be more than one for sale out there somewhere!
I immediately read up on Convoy HX84. All brave men. The reason why I had not heard of Beaverford before is because she was not an Armed Merchant Cruiser, she was a defensively equipped Merchant Ship, a liner,with a civilian crew, which I think makes their actions even more laudable.
Thank you Maurice, yes, you are right. In my defence,I got that info from an early edition of 'Warships of World War 2' by Lenton and Colledge, which expressly states that AJAX was shorter overall from the rest of the group. This info is corrected in Lenton's later work 'British and Empire Warships of the Second World War'.
David don't give up on AJAX. There must be more than one for sale out there somewhere!
Thank you Charlie,
I immediately read up on Convoy HX84. All brave men. The reason why I had not heard of Beaverford before is because she was not an Armed Merchant Cruiser, she was a defensively equipped Merchant Ship, a liner,with a civilian crew, which I think makes their actions even more laudable.
Thank you Maurice, yes, you are right. In my defence,I got that info from an early edition of 'Warships of World War 2' by Lenton and Colledge, which expressly states that AJAX was shorter overall from the rest of the group. This info is corrected in Lenton's later work 'British and Empire Warships of the Second World War'.
David don't give up on AJAX. There must be more than one for sale out there somewhere!
I immediately read up on Convoy HX84. All brave men. The reason why I had not heard of Beaverford before is because she was not an Armed Merchant Cruiser, she was a defensively equipped Merchant Ship, a liner,with a civilian crew, which I think makes their actions even more laudable.
Thank you Maurice, yes, you are right. In my defence,I got that info from an early edition of 'Warships of World War 2' by Lenton and Colledge, which expressly states that AJAX was shorter overall from the rest of the group. This info is corrected in Lenton's later work 'British and Empire Warships of the Second World War'.
David don't give up on AJAX. There must be more than one for sale out there somewhere!
beejay said:
Hi Beejay,
Check this link out http://members.tripod.com/~merchantships/cprships1.html
More guts than Dick Tracy, taking on a battleship with a couple of 4 inch popguns. Ok, late with this info...note to self...read the rest of the thread before replying.
Regards, Rick
PS The model of HMS Colossus (Arromaches) arrived today, I think that even Joe Thumbfingers here might be able to fake the Bonaventure or Magnificent with it, the island and gun sponsoons are somewhat different, but the flight deck is about the same for the Maggie, and the Bonnie is similar for the front 1/3 .
Of course reality will likely turn around and bite me in the butt.
beejay said:
Hi Beejay,
Check this link out http://members.tripod.com/~merchantships/cprships1.html
More guts than Dick Tracy, taking on a battleship with a couple of 4 inch popguns. Ok, late with this info...note to self...read the rest of the thread before replying.
Regards, Rick
PS The model of HMS Colossus (Arromaches) arrived today, I think that even Joe Thumbfingers here might be able to fake the Bonaventure or Magnificent with it, the island and gun sponsoons are somewhat different, but the flight deck is about the same for the Maggie, and the Bonnie is similar for the front 1/3 .
Of course reality will likely turn around and bite me in the butt.
Hello Rick,
Thank you very much for that link, much appreciated.
As you rightly say, more guts than Dick Tracy.
The more that I read about convoys in WW2, the more I am filled with admiration for those seamen.(but we must not hi-jack this thread!)
Surely someone out there must be able to find a couple of HMS AJAX kits for Dave. Maybe one of those highly skilled Polish modellers can help?
P.S. Very good news about the Arromanches kit. I am very much looking forward to seeing the builds and if I can help with info, please give me a shout
VBR (Very Best Regards)
beejay
Thank you very much for that link, much appreciated.
As you rightly say, more guts than Dick Tracy.
The more that I read about convoys in WW2, the more I am filled with admiration for those seamen.(but we must not hi-jack this thread!)
Surely someone out there must be able to find a couple of HMS AJAX kits for Dave. Maybe one of those highly skilled Polish modellers can help?
P.S. Very good news about the Arromanches kit. I am very much looking forward to seeing the builds and if I can help with info, please give me a shout
VBR (Very Best Regards)
beejay
Hello Rick,
Thank you very much for that link, much appreciated.
As you rightly say, more guts than Dick Tracy.
The more that I read about convoys in WW2, the more I am filled with admiration for those seamen.(but we must not hi-jack this thread!)
Surely someone out there must be able to find a couple of HMS AJAX kits for Dave. Maybe one of those highly skilled Polish modellers can help?
P.S. Very good news about the Arromanches kit. I am very much looking forward to seeing the builds and if I can help with info, please give me a shout
VBR (Very Best Regards)
beejay
Thank you very much for that link, much appreciated.
As you rightly say, more guts than Dick Tracy.
The more that I read about convoys in WW2, the more I am filled with admiration for those seamen.(but we must not hi-jack this thread!)
Surely someone out there must be able to find a couple of HMS AJAX kits for Dave. Maybe one of those highly skilled Polish modellers can help?
P.S. Very good news about the Arromanches kit. I am very much looking forward to seeing the builds and if I can help with info, please give me a shout
VBR (Very Best Regards)
beejay
Hello David
Re HMS AJAX
I understand that it is possible to order on-line and download this kit direct from GPM
Here is the link: http://www.gpm.pl/eng/index.php
I hope this info is correct
VBR
beejay
Re HMS AJAX
I understand that it is possible to order on-line and download this kit direct from GPM
Here is the link: http://www.gpm.pl/eng/index.php
I hope this info is correct
VBR
beejay
Hello David
Re HMS AJAX
I understand that it is possible to order on-line and download this kit direct from GPM
Here is the link: http://www.gpm.pl/eng/index.php
I hope this info is correct
VBR
beejay
Re HMS AJAX
I understand that it is possible to order on-line and download this kit direct from GPM
Here is the link: http://www.gpm.pl/eng/index.php
I hope this info is correct
VBR
beejay
I googled the term HMS Leander card model and this came up as the first hit.
http://www.marinemodelmagazine.com/trapletimages/MMI_Backissues_85-90.pdf
Might be of some help.
Rick
http://www.marinemodelmagazine.com/trapletimages/MMI_Backissues_85-90.pdf
Might be of some help.
Rick
I googled the term HMS Leander card model and this came up as the first hit.
http://www.marinemodelmagazine.com/trapletimages/MMI_Backissues_85-90.pdf
Might be of some help.
Rick
http://www.marinemodelmagazine.com/trapletimages/MMI_Backissues_85-90.pdf
Might be of some help.
Rick
Beejay,
You might well be right but my polish doesn't go far enough... and the download button does not seem to work for me (Mac problem?).
I will keep looking.
D
P.S. Don't worry about hi-jacking, it's good to talk!
I have met some old sailors and ship builders over the years and the one thing that comes across is the pride they took in doing a good job, be it sailing or building. We should remember them.
You might well be right but my polish doesn't go far enough... and the download button does not seem to work for me (Mac problem?).
I will keep looking.
D
P.S. Don't worry about hi-jacking, it's good to talk!
I have met some old sailors and ship builders over the years and the one thing that comes across is the pride they took in doing a good job, be it sailing or building. We should remember them.
Beejay,
You might well be right but my polish doesn't go far enough... and the download button does not seem to work for me (Mac problem?).
I will keep looking.
D
P.S. Don't worry about hi-jacking, it's good to talk!
I have met some old sailors and ship builders over the years and the one thing that comes across is the pride they took in doing a good job, be it sailing or building. We should remember them.
You might well be right but my polish doesn't go far enough... and the download button does not seem to work for me (Mac problem?).
I will keep looking.
D
P.S. Don't worry about hi-jacking, it's good to talk!
I have met some old sailors and ship builders over the years and the one thing that comes across is the pride they took in doing a good job, be it sailing or building. We should remember them.
Hello David,
I have sent an e-mail to GPM re AJAX and I will let you know the reply.
I am ex R.N., but never saw a shot fired in anger at sea, unless you count being on the receiving end of thrown fish and throwing potatoes back during the 'Cod War'!!
With regard to the men I served with, most officers in those days seemed to have their eyes only fixed on the promotion ladder and the majority of senior rates seemed to have forgotten their humble beginnings!!
Maybe it was me that was out of step, but the ships that I wanted to be drafted to were being taken out of commission and scrapped. If she did not have scuttles, she was not a proper ship!! (My grandfather used to say the same about coal-burning ships. To quote : "It was dirty hard work bunkering, but the whole crew used to muck in and it helped to build up cameraderie"
It cannot be contested that the seamen that fought in WW1 and WW2 greatly expanded the traditions of the RN (and the M.N.) and the glory.
I have never forgotten the expression from an earlier era: 'If blood be the price of Admiralty, by God, we have paid in full'.
I think by taking an interest in their ships and building models of them and remembering their deeds, their memory will always be kept alive.
I hope that this does not sound too gung-ho.
Very best regards
beejay
I have sent an e-mail to GPM re AJAX and I will let you know the reply.
I am ex R.N., but never saw a shot fired in anger at sea, unless you count being on the receiving end of thrown fish and throwing potatoes back during the 'Cod War'!!
With regard to the men I served with, most officers in those days seemed to have their eyes only fixed on the promotion ladder and the majority of senior rates seemed to have forgotten their humble beginnings!!
Maybe it was me that was out of step, but the ships that I wanted to be drafted to were being taken out of commission and scrapped. If she did not have scuttles, she was not a proper ship!! (My grandfather used to say the same about coal-burning ships. To quote : "It was dirty hard work bunkering, but the whole crew used to muck in and it helped to build up cameraderie"
It cannot be contested that the seamen that fought in WW1 and WW2 greatly expanded the traditions of the RN (and the M.N.) and the glory.
I have never forgotten the expression from an earlier era: 'If blood be the price of Admiralty, by God, we have paid in full'.
I think by taking an interest in their ships and building models of them and remembering their deeds, their memory will always be kept alive.
I hope that this does not sound too gung-ho.
Very best regards
beejay
Hello David,
I have sent an e-mail to GPM re AJAX and I will let you know the reply.
I am ex R.N., but never saw a shot fired in anger at sea, unless you count being on the receiving end of thrown fish and throwing potatoes back during the 'Cod War'!!
With regard to the men I served with, most officers in those days seemed to have their eyes only fixed on the promotion ladder and the majority of senior rates seemed to have forgotten their humble beginnings!!
Maybe it was me that was out of step, but the ships that I wanted to be drafted to were being taken out of commission and scrapped. If she did not have scuttles, she was not a proper ship!! (My grandfather used to say the same about coal-burning ships. To quote : "It was dirty hard work bunkering, but the whole crew used to muck in and it helped to build up cameraderie"
It cannot be contested that the seamen that fought in WW1 and WW2 greatly expanded the traditions of the RN (and the M.N.) and the glory.
I have never forgotten the expression from an earlier era: 'If blood be the price of Admiralty, by God, we have paid in full'.
I think by taking an interest in their ships and building models of them and remembering their deeds, their memory will always be kept alive.
I hope that this does not sound too gung-ho.
Very best regards
beejay
I have sent an e-mail to GPM re AJAX and I will let you know the reply.
I am ex R.N., but never saw a shot fired in anger at sea, unless you count being on the receiving end of thrown fish and throwing potatoes back during the 'Cod War'!!
With regard to the men I served with, most officers in those days seemed to have their eyes only fixed on the promotion ladder and the majority of senior rates seemed to have forgotten their humble beginnings!!
Maybe it was me that was out of step, but the ships that I wanted to be drafted to were being taken out of commission and scrapped. If she did not have scuttles, she was not a proper ship!! (My grandfather used to say the same about coal-burning ships. To quote : "It was dirty hard work bunkering, but the whole crew used to muck in and it helped to build up cameraderie"
It cannot be contested that the seamen that fought in WW1 and WW2 greatly expanded the traditions of the RN (and the M.N.) and the glory.
I have never forgotten the expression from an earlier era: 'If blood be the price of Admiralty, by God, we have paid in full'.
I think by taking an interest in their ships and building models of them and remembering their deeds, their memory will always be kept alive.
I hope that this does not sound too gung-ho.
Very best regards
beejay