Hdmi @^#%@#$$#@

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  1. cgutzmer

    cgutzmer Guest

    What the heck! I just got a new high def tv. I got an HDMI dvd recorder. The damn thing cant play a stupid HD dvd. How stupid is that!?!?! it will upconvert a regular old dvd to high def but I cant play a dvd made in high def. What a ripoff unless I go spend even MORE money on a hd or blu-ray player. :mad: :mad: :mad:

    All done now - I knew you guys would listen ;)
  2. Kaz

    Kaz Member

    I hadnt a TV set for over 26 years, my Daughter was the reason that 2 years ago I bought a tv decoder for the PC and all the dvd's are played on that. And the TV as well.
  3. rlwhitt

    rlwhitt Active Member

    I wish I could help, but we just got our first HD TV a few months ago (at the wife's insistence no less!) and HD DVDs are not even on the event horizon... Usually I've always been a bleeding edge geek on hardware (phones, computers, etc) but the whole HD thing has been way in front of me. And after I've seen the relative paucity of HD content on cable, I think I may still be early! :(
  4. Gil

    Gil Active Member

    High Definition Boob Tube...,

    It always takes longer than marketeers forecast to reach the fiftieth percentile makret penetration. It took 13 years for color television to get to this point. I don't think you'll have to wait that long for HDTV to reach this point, maybe another year and half to two years. Just let the companies competing for marketshare do their thing...., HDTV DVDs aren't ready for prime time yet and are still exhorbinantly expensive compared to the consumers price expectations. Begs the question, though, why watch the boob if you can build card models...,

  5. barry

    barry Active Member


    My Tv is 20 yrs old from what I read maybe I will wait just a bit longer ............
  6. rlwhitt

    rlwhitt Active Member

    My sentiments exactly, Gil. Since I started this, my viewing has fallen drastically down to about 3-4 shows. My wife watches about every "reality" show on, but I'd bet she thinks I wasting MY time! :) To each his own...

  7. Bluenoser

    Bluenoser Member

    My TV is about 15 years old, 21", one tiny little speaker and no additional connections on the back for anything except an antenna and hook-up to the VCR. I have no cable and receive only 2 channels of fuzzy programming. Everything that's broadcast these days is just utter @#%*. We do not watch any regular programming at all, not even the news (that's @#%* too). I also do not watch internet TV (same @#%* as on the regular TV). I watch movie rentals about twice a month, that's it. I find my time is better spent building my models, and after a little while I will have something to show for it, unlike watching the TV.
    (steps down from soap box)
  8. cgutzmer

    cgutzmer Guest

    I try to build my models while I am watching tv - it helps placate the wife into thinking we are actually watching tv together ;)

    My old tv was about 15 years old and broke thats why the new one. Mostly the kids watch it but the wife watches lots of french programming. And yes, most programming is total crap. I watch mostly history/discovery/cartoon network (boomerang) :D
  9. Bluenoser

    Bluenoser Member

    You are right. If I had chioce of watching, it would also be History/Discovery/Cartoon Network. But in the end, the kids would over run the TV anyway. My wife would have no interest in any of my programming picks. My wife and I just aren't big TV watchers for the reasons stated above. Also, being infrequent watchers hardly justifies the cost of having the cable service. Plus, I know my kids aren't getting bombarded with additional consumerism and questionable content. There's already plenty of that in other media types anyway.
  10. Texman

    Texman Guest

    Well, here's my story. Much as Rick, I only watch three, maybe four shows. My wife, she picks up every reality show within 4 timezones. However, my modelling desk and computer are right behind the sofa, so I build, she watches, and we still get to have semi meaningful conversations. Wish I had a good cable with History/Discovery/Food channels. Perhaps when I return.
    As does Bluenoser, my kids aren't getting overloaded with the commercialism that is regular network television. So, it works for us, for now.

  11. cgutzmer

    cgutzmer Guest

    We also RARELY watch live tv. We DVR everything we are interested in - including the kids favorite cartoons. Both kids (7 and 3 1/2) know how to skip the ads and almost always do so. :D This way we wach only what we want when we want to watch it. It works out pretty well.
  12. rlwhitt

    rlwhitt Active Member

    You nailed one there. We NEVER watch live TV. Well, the kids do mostly, but us adults would strangle somebody if we had to sit through commercials these days.

  13. Bengt F

    Bengt F Active Member

    TV Watching . . .

    You have my sympathies, Chris,

    If you buy a brand new, hi-tech gadget like this, the least you´d expect is that it should function properly. And of course that it should be a heck of a lot better than whatever it is replacing.

    Since I discovered card modelling again in November 2005 (thank God for that!) I watch very little TV nowadays, just an odd news broad cast now and then and some really good detective series, like Agatha Christie´s "Poirot".
    I use the TV mostly as a big monitor with good sound to watch DVD movies of my choice, mostly movies involving airplanes or real space (like space shuttles).

    Struggle on,
    Bengt :D
  14. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    I used to do TV repair and had a shop for many years (too many). The problem you are experiencing is that your DVD player or TV is not HDCP compatible (HighbandwidthDigitalContentProtection). If your new TV sends a HDCP signal back to your DVD player and does not receive a reply it will downsize the picture to a max of 480p or 480i. The exact opposite can occur. If you DVD player sends a HDCP signal and receives no answer back, the DVD player will downscale to 480p or 480i max. If the DVD player senses any type of Macrovision or Copyright protection it will not play the Upscaled (1080i) thru the YPrB (component connections) or HDMI. If your TV is "new" model you can be assured it has HDCP. If you purchase a DVD player that has HDCP then all will be fine. I have a Zenith 318B DVD player I changed the firmware to allow it to play 720p or 1080i thru my LCD projector. The firmware is available and as is this player which sells rather inexpensively it would be a good investment. Research first. I recommend YPrB (component) output for longer than 10 feet runs as there is no signal degradation. The firmware downgrade should be only used if you intend to use the component outputs as the upgrade fixes an HDMI issue. They were required to remove high definition from component outputs as that is illegal now. In short your video components must match. Another possibility is to "rip" the movie using your computer burn it to a DVD and then that will allow HiDef playback. This is the link to the forum I belong to for instructions on how to do that. You must own the DVD you rip the movie or you would be pirating the movie. This issue was decided by the Supreme Court when VHS came out in case someone thinks I am advocating piracy. The link below is legitimate, I have been a member of it for 5 years. You do not have to join to download or poke around and learn.

  15. cgutzmer

    cgutzmer Guest

    The dvd recorder upconverts to 1080i without a problem. My mistake was thinking that because the dvd recorder had an hdmi output that it would play HD dvd's. It upconverts to "near high definition" (purely relative) ;) just fine - I just honestly thought it was going to be able to play hd dvd's. Now aint that a kick in the pants....
  16. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    When you write "HD dvd's". due you mean as in "Blu-Ray, HD-DVD"? That"s a completely different laser diode and disc format. I don't know which Hi-Def TV you purchased but unless it is huge you won't see that much of a difference between the Blu-Ray and the upconverted DVD. Your local Sears should have them on display. I have an 80" screen with an LCD projector mounted in the ceiling. It accepts all HDTV formats and was a lot cheaper than the LCD/Plasma TV's were. If you don't watch a lot of TV and enjoy movies it is the best way to go. Your right about "purely relative" on the HD standards as they start from 480i(p) all the way up to 1080i(p), each being a different level of HiDef. Some action movies actually look better in 720p than 1080i, depends how the movies was recorded and if it was film, how it was transferred. You should find out the resolution on your TV before you buy a HD player (Blu-Ray, HD-DVD) because if it isn't at least 1080 on the vertical you will not see any difference.
  17. cgutzmer

    cgutzmer Guest

    tv is 1080i 37 inch lcd. There are two standards right? Blu-ray that uses the blue laser to read multiple layers on one dvd and HD that still uses a red laser. We decided to stick with just the upconverted dvd recorder. Cant afford a grand for blu-ray.
  18. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    A 37 " TV would not benefit from either HD (Blu-Ray or HD-DVD) . It just isn't big enough. A line double or quadrupler might help but I doubt it. Anything above 50" inches would benefit, the bigger the more benefit. I must admit though that my LCD Projector which is now 5 years old looks fantastic at 80" Diagonal. The resolution is 1024 by 768 which means that on widescreen there are bars above and below and it still looks great. Five years ago I paid $1995 for it and it is as good as ever. My family and I use the pprojector approx. 3 times a week for movies of specials and out Toshiba 36" for everyday viewing. That puts me way ahead of neighbors who purchased $7000 Plasma TV's that are now dead. Sanyo makes the most reliable projectors, is one of the largest manufacturers of them and a Z4 that has full HDTV (720p) on the vertical (will accept all signals) and costs $1700. A better deal than most LCD's considering it will go up to 200" diagonal. Plasma TV with their High Voltage Tubes (Yes, Tubes) are not going to last especially as the latency of the LCD is fast approaching the Plasma with for former (LCD) having extremely long lives. Just think about all those antique laptops with functioning LCD screens. The bottom line is, in my opinion, that you did very well in your purchase.
  19. Dnlgtr

    Dnlgtr Member

    I think I see where you went wrong here.(like many will)
    Upconvert will upgrade Regular DVD's to near HD output on HD TV's. But if your DVD player/recorder says 'Upconvert" on it, It Can not play Either format of HD DVD's.
    Just like 'HD' & 'Blu-Ray' are not compatable, Most HD palyer's won't Downgrade to standard DVD's. At least the ones I have looked at!
    That might change soon to make HD format DVD's more popular over Blu-Ray.
    Being Backward Compatable will be the deciding point in which format sells.

    I dcan't go HD yet as I don't have an HD TV But DO want that Region 'Unlock' code!! Many Thanks for the link.
  20. Zathros

    Zathros Guest

    If there is anyone looking to buy a new BluRay or HD-DVD just make sure your TV has HDCP or you are throwing your money away. If your TV doesn't state it has it it probably doesn't. If the salesperson doesn't know, go somewhere else or research the specific model you are buying. HDCP does not work through the YPrB (component) outputs but there are only 2 or 3 DVD players that will output the upconverted signals through those outputs and I don't believe any of the new BluRay/HD-DVD players will.
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