Happy Anniversary of the Apollo Moon Landing

Discussion in 'Space & Aeronautics' started by SAustin16, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. SAustin16

    SAustin16 Member

    Gee Whillikers Fellow Space Cadets !!!

    This forum is MIGHTY QUIET on the 40th Anniversary of the Moon Landing. You all must be hard at work on your Real Space card models.

    Here's to the fine people who worked on the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs, and to the fine people working on Ares/Orion. May the next generation of space flights be as productive (and less hazardous) than the first.

  2. Maico Shark

    Maico Shark Guest

    From a guy who was involved in the Gemini recovery (4, 7/6) and got close enough to smell an astronaut after 2 weeks in space....I join you in remembrance and the hope that we are not done yet and will go "to infinity & beyond" -Buzz Lightyear, Star Command
  3. SAustin16

    SAustin16 Member

    Good Evening Maico,

    Thank you for chiming in.

    Although I was too young to have been involved in those daring years of space exploration, I do miss the excitement that was in the air.

    I hope you will always look fondly on your involvement with the program. I cannot imagine two weeks in an Apollo, let alone 2 weeks crammed in the Gemini barely able to move. Better to smell the after-effects than to have experienced them perhaps.

    We'll see what the future holds.
  4. Maico Shark

    Maico Shark Guest

    We labeled Gemini 7/6 that way because though they were launched 6 then 7 & met up in orbit Gemini 7 splashed down first and 6 came later. I wanted to be an astronaut but bad teeth eliminated me so the recovery team was as close as I could get. Stink or no stink, I'd have given an arm (and a leg) to have went in that capsule. I will await with you to see what the future holds.
  5. WeeVikes

    WeeVikes Member


    Great thread! It was "Apollo 11 Weekend" for me, and yesterday felt like Christmas Day!

    Here's how my family and I celebrated/commemorated the mission on Sunday evening.

    The big Saturn V is my flying version of Ton Noteboom's outstanding model. For this flight, I got to use a new wedge-shaped blast deflector I'd just built. I love the way it looks so much like the real thing with the exhaust pouring out of both ends! Unfortunately, the parachutes of the booster stage failed on me once again, so back to the drawing board/building table. The LUT/ML I've discussed before. Some if it is card modeling, so it's not OT here, right?

    The 1/32nd scale Mercury/Atlas undertook it's maiden flight. The capsule is a scale-down of Ton's model on Jon's site, and the booster is of my own design. (Actually, I should say that I completely stole the design from Estes ;-) ) It flew beautifully, but the clear plastic fin units were damaged by the exhaust. I was afraid that would happen, but it's an easy fix.

    The Space Shuttle is yet another "Estes Clone". It's a modified version of Dan Shippley's model, from Delta 7, and the SRB/ET came from Jon Leslie's site. I enlarged it to 1/150th scale. It's a nice little rocket -- it flies just like I remember the Estes kit performed. I just need to get the right elevon angle for the Orbiter and I'll have it down -- somewhere between "death-dive" and "porpoise" should do.

    Finally, the "little" Saturn V is a 2x scale-up of my design that I did for my little LUT/SV model on Jon's site, part of the "Apollo Historical Series" collection (I know, I know, the other models aren't out yet... don't start! :p) making it 1/240th scale. It flies wonderfully on A and B engines. I believe a C would put it out of sight!

    It made for a very fun evening, despite trashing the big SV. Oh well, I've built it before, I can build it again.

    Next to fly will be a 1/240th scale N1 I've just finished, and I'm mulling an Ares 1-X, a 1/96th scale Saturn 1B and maybe a Little Joe II. I'm also pretty sure I'll build a flying version of Alfonso's STS-73 Columbia (73 was my football number in high school and I just met Cady Coleman who was a mission specialist on that flight) just to see if I can make that design work too. We'll see.


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  6. SAustin16

    SAustin16 Member


    Gemini 7/6 was always my favorite Gemini mission as it involved two spacecraft finding each other then flying tight formation at 18,000mph ... it must have been a "rush" for the astronauts. Not only are they actually flying the vehicles, but making all the technology come together to pull it off. We won't even get into the wonderful photos they brought back documenting that mission...some of my favorites.

    What was your role on the recovery team? I'd love to hear more.


    Your weekend, and photos appear to have been outstanding. Your Blast Deflector really worked! Especially on the Saturn V, the exhaust looks VERY realistic compared to the actual launches. Sorry about the crash, but at least it's one of the FEW Saturns that didn't work the first time. LOL Keep up the great work.
  7. WeeVikes

    WeeVikes Member


    Thanks for the compliments.

    Strictly speaking, my Saturn DID survive it's first flight!

    That was the big Saturn V's 4th flight. In none of them have the parachutes ever worked the way I inteded, despite repeated tweaking. The second flight, and this one, the fourth, both ended up in crumpled S-II stages at the separation plane, requiring rebuilds of that part of the model. It was a total lawn-dart!

    The 1st and 3rd flights resulted in "lucky" recoveries in that although the parachutes didn't work correctly, they worked well enough to bring the booster back down safely.

    The good thing is that the outer body tube is just appropriately measured, cut, and rolled poster board with the details from Ton's model glued on. A pain, to be sure, but ultimately not that big a deal, and I'm not out much money. The center core of 1 1/2 Estes BT-50 body tubes (or are they BT-80... I can never remember. They fit "D" engines...) used as the engine mount/ejection gas duct/thrust structure survived intact, so I'll be able to recycle it and use it again.

    So, I guess my 0.500 batting average is much worse than NASA's, but the implications of my failure are much less! ;-)

  8. SAustin16

    SAustin16 Member


    That's what I REALLY like about card modeling ... that you can just print / cut new parts, not like plastic where you may be out of luck.

    As for your .500 average ... Not bad considering the early days of rocketry and of NASA. They didn't initially call Merritt Island "Malfunction Junction" for nothing. Trial and error is some of the most fun we can have. Hard thought and accidental discoveries are what it's all about. Good luck with your parachute improvements.
  9. Retired_for_now

    Retired_for_now New Guy

    Amazing construction - I'm happy if my statics just stand up straight. The only one's I launch are the straws and maybe some stomp rockets - see at Jon Leslie's, the Lower Hudson Valley Challenger Center on the misc downloads.

    ARES Rocket Launcher.jpg

    To the actual topic Steve,
    Spent the 20th watching the retrospectives, the various on-line loops of audio/video and news coverage, howling at the moon, toasting the memory - and working on rocket gardens for some local school teachers. Cranking out Ton's Saturn 1's at 1:200 currently. Then maybe a break with a few Fiddler's Green airplanes, or try a downsized Vostok (early Leo via the wayback machine).


    Yogi "Fat Fingers"
  10. JJD

    JJD New Member

    I'm loving this anniversary time. There's so many documentaries and specials that I've been watching - or will have to find time to watch.

    I haven't built anything for it yet, but I've got a 1:48 Lunar Module that I printed on 'glossy' display paper here at work at 1:24.

    The only problem is that it has been flattening for weeks (since the plotter paper comes on large rolls) and it's STILL curling up a bit to much to work comfortably with.

    Great work by all above, how the hell you work so tiny has me stumped.

    Maybe it's because I have access to large plotters (maybe it's just the 'guy' thing), but I always think the 'bigger the better'.

    There's no way I could fathom trying to work at such small detail - I'd go crazy!!! Kudos to you all.

    One quick question that hasn't been answered by the documentaries yet and has always annoyed me.....

    Buzz Aldrin was on board as 'Lunar Module Pilot' and Armstrong as 'Mission Commander'....

    ....which makes me wonder why Armstrong was piloting the LM down to the moon's surface (and I assume back up again)?

    Also were the other Apollo missions the same?

    Cheers all

    Found the answer to my own question.....


  11. WeeVikes

    WeeVikes Member


    I've been giving your stomp rockets a really hard look. They look like a lot of fun. This past weekend I took my two youngest kids to the National Museum of the Air Force for their Apollo 11 inspired "Family Day" & we built and flew quick and dirty air rockets, similar in principle to yours, but nowhere near as sophisticated. They were a ton of fun.

    With your setup, how high/far do your rockets go? The little things we flew in the museum were hooked up to a compressed air device, and they went a good 75 feet downrange when they were built straight.

    You've also tempted me badly to do a mini "Rocket Garden" of my own. If I could just figure out how to do reduced size printing, I'd be all over it.

    You do amazing work.

  12. Retired_for_now

    Retired_for_now New Guy

    The stomp rocket will send a 10" card tube easily 100' straight up or well over 100' downrange (using my big feet of course - slightly less with kids). The ARES stomp rocket is heavier - so goes about half as far. Straw rockets will go 50-60 feet - limited by their light weight and drag.

    You can get reduced printing by using the mulitple page setting in Adobe (2 pages per sheet is about 65% reduction; 4 pages per sheet is 50% - my setting to get 1:96 models down to around 1:200). You can also use your printer settings. Most have a page somewhere in the print box (settings, finishing, effects, etc.) that will allow you to specify a percentage reduction or enlargement. Models under 6" long seem to work best for me when constructed of bond paper with card only where needed for reinforcement.

  13. Maico Shark

    Maico Shark Guest

    I've built & launched many of the Estes models and must say that the most enjoyable part is seeing the parachute appear as a pinpoint and slowly enlarge as it drifts down (with the kids scrambling to make the recovery). Can you rig a parachute on the stomp rockets?
  14. Retired_for_now

    Retired_for_now New Guy

    Not sure how you'd activate the parachute on the stomp rocket. A "drape" over the front doesn't seem to work (tried it with a straw rocket) and there's no impulse after the rocket leaves the launch tube.
    My stomp rockets are generally so light they suffer little damage from a ballistic descent onto grass (a few crinkles if they land on the driveway).
  15. Maico Shark

    Maico Shark Guest

    Well when I get my stomp rocket built, I'll play around with some parachute deployment ideas. Innovation is what space is all about, right? solving problems...
  16. SAustin16

    SAustin16 Member

    Maico, YOU can do it.

    All it takes are Brains and Persistence (funding is included in there also, but it's derived from the application of both) just like the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo Programs.
  17. Maico Shark

    Maico Shark Guest

    Well one method I thought of was side flaps that would be held closed by the slipstream during ascent but would open when the rocket reached zenith spilling out the 'chute.

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