Ebay & A*&&holes !!

Discussion in 'Getting Started' started by Dave Harris, Oct 16, 2008.

  1. Dave Harris

    Dave Harris Member

    Rats!! E Bay sure has fixed sellers with their changes. Sellers have NO options but to do whatever E bay & paypal decides you must.
    I sold a MDC kit for a Battle Mountain Galloping Goose , for those not familiar with it , I'll describe it : it was a non powered beast made from a box cab diesel, a box car & a frame with a hood stuck on it . They had a sort of set of instructions in it to use a diesel drive to power it. All in all it was not really a winner, just something MDC threw together to try to cash in on the RGS Goose craze.
    Any way some guy bought it for 41 dollars. I had put in a Tyco drive unit out of a tender from the chantanoga choo choo as a bonus.
    Here is the Ebay listing so you can see that I described this thing EXACTLY & had pictures as well


    SO the guy gets it & immediately I get this back from him :
    Thank you for your response, I received it this morning and you have a problem this is not a galloping goose,or even close there's a box cab diesel&a box car,two additional frames thats it. I really do not want either, please check to see if you forgot to ship the goose!
    Thanks Rick

    So I returned this to him :

    It is exactly what I advertised on the listing--a roundhouse MDC kit sold as a Battle mountain galloping goose . I showed a picture of the kit opened & stated the exact title that MDC sold it as. I am sorry that you thought that it would be a RGS type goose but it is what it is --a MDC kit.

    Next thing I know he has filed a claim of the item not being as described & E Bay ( pay pal) hits my account for a refund to him. NO WAY for me to do anything but give it back to him.

    I sent him another E mail telling him that I thought as much as he bid at the very last second he had never read the actual ad & that he thought he was stealing a brass RGS Goose for 40 bucks & after seeing what it was realized his greed had trapped him .

    This is the next I got from him.

    SIR. you should have been a politician on the way that you twist the facts,make yourself a victim and then accuse me of being deceitful,then call me names,suggest that I would want defraud you, SIR! you are some piece of work,you need the Lord Jesus to save you're poor soul from disbelief of your own facts and face the truth about yourself I,ll be praying for your salvation. Rick

    Shortly after that came this:
    Dear camwtatt,

    SIR' I've been nothing but kind in my dealings with this add,I used the deceptive text you printed to decide to buy a non motorized static model with additional drive to motorize it,whether it has been out of production or not, a plastic static model for41.00 dollars would have been resonable, also I'm a collector of roundhouse products they only produce in plastic you "Idiot" therefore I was'nt trying to get a brass model for 40.00 dollars as I also collect brass,I do know what the difference is and just for the record if the RGS goose was only available in brass,why did roundhouse make a box with the goose picture on it and sell "a static model" in your words from the add DUHHHHH!!!!!!!
    Thanks for paypal and yes you should pay for the return shipping as there is nothing there I want and this way you can further besmerch my integrity by telling everybody how I kept the real model and sent you back a box full of junk,that seems too be what will happen.

    Then came this :
    Dear camwtatt,
    SIR! It is obvious you are a blithering IDIOT,you only want to verbally bash and try to intimidate people with that victim attitude,screaming,yelling,accusing,just read your own words unmolested,complete,factory new,intact never opened, this is intentionally misleading. As far as my trying to beat anybody out of something,calling me a thief is uncalled for, people who accuse others of something are usually guilty of what
    they are accusing. You're e-mails are so full of anger and hate,you're just mad because you've been called on the ad. Why call names and make accusations,try a little kindness,I have no desire to cheat you as indicated two other times in e-mails.I said I would send it back,don't compliment yourself thinking you're right about my intension's being less than honorable.

    Finally I sent him this :

    You claim to be a MDC collector , IF that were true you would KNOW that this kit IS EXACTLY what I said it to be, FURTHER IF you could read you could have seen the instruction sheets WITH the KIT showed EXACTLY THE PARTS in the KIT which ARE ALL THERE & SOME ARE IN AN UNOPENED PLASTIC BAG--EXACTLY AS I SAID . THERE WAS NOT ONE THING IN THE AD MISLEADING OR INACCURATE--- PERIOD---. TO claim I stated the kit was unopened is a bit STUPID in as MUCH AS I had a picture of it with the box lid OFF. The Kit you bid on and received is EXACTLY as MDC made it with the exception of the tender drive unit I added as a bonus. IT is YOU SIR ,who is the IDIOT who cannot understand & comprehend simple english.
    Since we are never going to agree on much ,& I have refunded your money will you please submit a request thru PAY PAL for whatever amount you wish to EXTORT from me to COMPENSATE you for the return of the kit. I will then pay you to finish the correction of your own stupidity in buying my kit. BE advised I do not intend to be extorted for any amount in EXCESS of 20.00 $ to get it back, if you think your time to drive ( provided you can --one must read to get a license) to the post office is worth 30 or so an hour you will not get it.

    Ok--- So he got his money back, an extra 6.00$ to send it back to me ---- I got it today ---- THE ******* had NEVER unwrapped the box!!!
    EXACTLY what I thought was what happened , AFTER he bid & won it he realized it was an MDC kit not a Brass RGS & the whole Charade started.
    E Bay won't do a D$%^M thing either & I can't even leave bad feedback for the guy --sellers are not allowed that option anymore!

    Thanks , at least I feel better now . wall1wall1wall1:curse::curse:
  2. jbaakko

    jbaakko Active Member

    Don't worry, I've been there. I now put a disclaimer that what you see is what you get. Ebay staff has "informed me" that this is the only way they will not listen to the buyer, but rather listen to the seller. Never needed to test it in the last year+.

    I wish there was a better option then the rip off corporate giant that eBay has become.
  3. jbaakko

    jbaakko Active Member

    Oh here's what I put:
    And this too:
  4. Dave Harris

    Dave Harris Member

    I had about gotten over my mad on when I got the kit back -- when I found he had NOT opened it it just all came back . He completely screwed me .
  5. N Gauger

    N Gauger 1:20.3 Train Addict

    I thought that before paypal refunds money - they would question you if the auction was accurate otr not..

    And Yes - I "Idiot proof" all my auctions.. I get complaints that i never ship outside the US.. Guess what - to he"Ck" with the buyers.. If I cant get proof of delivery - I'm not shipping it..

    insurance?? Yeah my disclaimer on every auction clearly states - Only returns that we will accept are for items that do not match description.. Any other claims - we will gladly send the buyer the Post office insurance ticket - it's the buyers responsibility to turn it in to the Post office for refund.....

    E-bay is slowly dieing.. Sellers are finding other auctions to sell from.. it' a shame - it used to be so nice before they got greedy...

    And the sellers are still upset that Paypal is a PART of e-bay and you pay to list... you pay when it sells - and you pay again to paypal for the total amount of purchase + Insurance & shipping...

    unreal - in some cases you're paying 10% to e-bay & paypal combined

    Then the more insane of our politicians want to try to tax the internet... yeah right - That'll shut me down real real fast!!!!!
  6. N Gauger

    N Gauger 1:20.3 Train Addict

    Oh yeah - one more thing.. Go to the site map and Block the buyer from bidding on your items again!!!

    My "List" has 4 or 5 people on it now hehehehe
  7. Ralph

    Ralph Remember...it's for fun!

    Buyer beware...and seller as well, apparently!
  8. Dave Harris

    Dave Harris Member

    What they did was pull his refund out to hold till the complaint was settled --- AND froze my EBay & paypal account till it was. The only thing really open to me was to "agree to refund" --anything else would have taken forever & in the meantime everything was locked up.
  9. N Gauger

    N Gauger 1:20.3 Train Addict

    Oh Geeze - i thought that meant they "Freeze" those funds only - not your entire account! :( Unless that's all you had in the account..

    But I thought it meant you could still use everything (Buy & Sell) and only the one auction's money was frozen.. geeze!!!!

    That ain't fair at all!!!!
  10. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Active Member

    Why I never do business on E-bay.
  11. CCT70

    CCT70 Member

    Where else is people going in lieu of FEEBay?

    It's gotten ridiculous, NOW, those creeps are FORCING you to pay via Pay-pal or Propay (which of you thought Pay-Pal was horrible!, oh and Pay-Pal is buying Propay right now), yet you can still pay your fees to Pay-Pal with a money order. Talk about hypocrisy! They CLAIM that credit cards are safer, yet I do NOT trust Pay-Pal, have had too many problems with it, and even though I have a credit card, I use it for BUSINESS ONLY. (and only because you really CAN'T be in business anymore without one). I pay CASH for what I buy, period. In other words, if I don't have the money to buy something, I don't buy it. Far too many Americans are buried in credit card debt, I am NOT going to contribute to the problem. Especially not for my hobbies.

    Dude, that guy is a TOOL. He's the kind of excuse that Ebay uses to "justify" (yeah right!) their new BS policies which in reality are nothing more than attempts to further jump in your wallet.

    <end of rant>

    Oh, and by the way, to use religion to your convenience to throw stones and argue your so called "point" in a battle of witts, is DESPICABLE. Those kinds of freaks are NOT real Christians. Religion is a frame of mind, a lifestyle and a respected frame of mind. It is NOT a pawn in a bout of verbal diarrhea to be used for convenience. In fact, it makes you look like an even bigger tool and a hypocrite. What an a--hole. You can tell him I said that too, but much like a neutered dog, he'd never get it. For what it's worth, at least you can hold your head high knowing the fact that YOU did the right thing, and he was a scam artist. He probably did this on purpose to get the kit for free.
    <sorry, ok, REAL end of rant>
  12. nachoman

    nachoman Guest

    hmm. I think I almost bid on that auction, until I reminded myself that I didn't need more unwanted projects! Sorry to hear you had to deal with such a character. Just be thankful you don't work at the return counter in Sears ;)

  13. Dave Harris

    Dave Harris Member

    I Wish you had Kevin, at least you would have know what yu were bidding on.
    Probably wouldn't have tried to get me to "come to Jesus" either. sign1
  14. railohio

    railohio Active Member

    You know, guys, there's a buy/sell/trade forum on The Gauge. It doesn't cost anything, either.
  15. tetters

    tetters Rail Spiking Fool!

  16. nolatron

    nolatron Member

    I buy and sell on ebay all the time, never any real issues.

    Considering you got the product back in once piece, I wouldn't say you got screwed. In the end, you only lost $6. Simply relist and move on.

    You can't leave negative feedback, but you can either:

    a) click the report a problem option when leaving feedback

    b) simply don't leave him feedback, especially if he won't for you.

    c) Leave him positive but with a negative message (not recommended though)
  17. N Gauger

    N Gauger 1:20.3 Train Addict

    Yes - you're right you can do that .. but... Since a seller can't leave negative feedback and a buyer can, It's good practice to only do that kind of stuff after they have left you feedback.

    One of the other things e-bay has done is set the search engines to a default order that brings those with better feedback to the top of the list, forcing those with neutral farther down and negative feedback even farther down :(

    They penalize the sellers for not doing everything humanly possible to take care of the sellers woes, real or perceived.

    So all it takes is one bad experience and you are "marked" for 6 months till the negative feedback leaves your recent feedback.
  18. N Gauger

    N Gauger 1:20.3 Train Addict

    Yes there is!!! And we encourage members to use it whenever they have train related items for sale!! :) :)


    I dont sell trains though.. I did have a listing for free mags (Pay shipping only) there...:D
  19. Dave Harris

    Dave Harris Member

    Ok ! Anybody want an MDC "Goose" --- its all wrapped & ready to go all I gotta do is change the address!! sign1
  20. eightyeightfan1

    eightyeightfan1 Now I'm AMP'd

    Same here.
    Only cause of horror stories like this one.

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