Eastern Tn logging on the DG CC & W RR 1928

Discussion in 'Logging, Mining and Industrial Railroads' started by Bill Nelson, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Active Member

    Coming along beautifully!

    For those of us who are geographically challenged, can you specify vaguely where these buildings are when you refer to them? Like "Big brownish honker on the right?" :cool:
  2. Sawdust

    Sawdust Member

    Looks good Bill, I like the forced perspective in the road you built into the backdrop.
  3. ytter_man

    ytter_man Member

    I like it too, mainly because i didnt notice it at first!
  4. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    SML MH 1a.jpg SML R L&H 1a.jpg more

    I was unable to find the entry with that particular phrase, but it might apply to the Imperial Desk and Chair Co. which exists as a wraparound the end of the backdrops between Downtown Harlow and the back side of Harlow.

    More work on the Mars Hotel and the Runyon Lumber and Hardware buildings has been done
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  5. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    SML bck s H 9 11 09.jpg SML ID & C co, w rvrbt.jpg SML othr 1:2 of Hs.jpg filling in

    I have done some work filling in between the Mars Hotel and Runyon Lumber and Hardware; and the Imperial Desk and Chair Co.

    I had this model power built up house that I bought mail order by accident, thinking it was a kit. I have kitbashed a lot of these into one of the two styles of company houses, but the built up wouldnt go there, so it sat around.

    Recently I decided I could use it, and I cut it in two, using the front side up in State Line, and the back side up against the backdrop between Runyon Lumber and the Imperial desk and chair Co. the foundation for the half that landed on the back side of Harlow is cut out of a chunk of pink foam. there is a little bit of foundation on the model, I will cut this off, so it doesn't have two foundations. also I have a picture of the side of the Imperial Desk and Chair building that shows the southern main line crossing The river (I haven't named it yet) that Crooked Creek flows into.

    further down the siding From the Runyon Lumber and Hardware is the coal trestle and bins for the Harlow coal co. I have toyed with having a small icing platform too, I'll see if ther is room when I build the superstructure for the coal bins.

    I threw in a photo of State Line that shows the front half of that same house. they will need to be painted, and painting something that is already built is a pain, I think I'll paint the inside black as I usually do, and paint the whole building it the trim color, and then hand paint the clapboard. The background is dark on the photo with the riverboat, as I had to cut off the lights under the upper decks, as they messed up the reflections in the river.

    Bill Nelson
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  6. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    SML dpt st crossing.jpg SML river rd  #1.jpg SML rvr rd. crossing#1.jpg River Road

    Last night I was playing around with some stained strip wood leftover from one of my other projects making grade crossings over some of the tracks on the back side of Harlow. I'm going to start calling this area Southside, to differentiate it from Downtown Harlow.

    On my railroad the Georgia/ Tennessee state line is on the 4th level, so for the standard Gauge at least South is up, and North is down. . The main line here, as it ducks under the backdrop. lead to the long upgrade to Crooked Creek, so in the convoluted logic of this railroad , this are is to the south of downtown Harlow, so I'm going to start Calling it Southside, which sounds a lot better than the back side of Harlow.

    The roads in Harlow are a mess. I had wanted to put in a little street car line originally, but abandoned the plan as my design got worked out, as it would have force my roads into a more block oriented design, and would have caused a lot of limitations in the way I set this town up. I'm adding a little bit of road that runs off of Depot st. toward the aisle. The whole thing is less than four inches long, but I'm going to call it River road. It is made out of foamcore, with some chunks of "rock" (pink foam) stuffed up under it to fill holes between it and the existing scenery. This is a lot faster, easier, and cleaner than trying to build it up with plaster.

    Here is a picture of river road from a low angle, that shows the foamcore and the pink foam rocks. in a few, when these are painted grey, it won't be easily recognizable for what it is. I also have a photo of River rd, from up above that shows the grade crossing, where the road crosses over the tracks over the pitifully small passing siding near the yard throat in Harlow. That passing siding is too small, and the one downtown has thre way stub switches, which are tricky, so you do as little switching as possible in Harlow, If you are going there from Crooked Creek, you want to block your train in Crooked Creek, where there are great big passing sidings.

    And speaking of switching Harlow, #9 is in the photo's. #9 is a Westside models import of Westside Lumber C. #3. It is a nice little Heisler (way oversze for #3 though ; lots of early brass was built oversize, when smaller motors were not available). #9 runs pretty well, and is a hoss. It used to have a regular job on the mountain division, but has found semi retirement as the Harlow switcher, where it can be relatively happy with the light rail, and seriously compromised track plan down in Harlow.

    #9 came from the factory with a straight stack, which I removed to keep it from setting the woods on fire. It has had several stacks, including a cabbage stack, which looked plain weird. It is currently wearing a 1870's style stack, which is just wrong, maybe some day I'll find the correct stack for this beast. I need to be patient, after all it has only been in service for 35 years.

    Bill Nelson
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  7. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    SML Rvr rd. crssg#2.jpg paint on rd

    Here is River rd. with a little paint. I also did some work with paint defining the waterline a little. Next I have to fire up the block power, and run #9 through the crossings, and then some of the other power that might find it;s way down to this end of the RR; to be sure they don't object too much to the crossings, and then it will be time for ballast and ground cover, and the creeping improvements in Harlow can continue.

    right now I have to go to work on my house kitbashing job. My downstairs bathroom has been turned back into a back porch, and now some of the back porch peices have to come off. right now I'mm going to clean up, and then start removing some more of the ceiling, what fun!

    Bill Nelson
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  8. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    =SML cst st br..jpg CML cst br sprts.jpg SML H C & I Co..jpg SML rdy t pr fndtn.jpg Foundation work

    if you look two posts back in the bottom picture, you can see the foundation for the Icehouse for the Harlow coal and Ice Co. like some of my foundations in Harlow, and the bridge pier for the Southern plate girder bridge that crosses over the DG, CC, & W RR next to the Harlow Terminal. this foundation was cast out of hydrocal in a form made of Foam core, similar to they way they pour concrete into plywood forms. I have had some spectacular success with this technique, including the stone arch bridge over the North Fork of Crooked Creek in Montgomery Furnace , which was formed up with foam core with a pringles can to define the curve of the arch.

    As you might have noticed in the photo's of Southside, I don't have much space, which is why most of the structures on both sides of Harlow are partial models nestled up to the back drop. The Harlow Coal and Ice Co, is an exception, but the Ice house was kitbashed from a Design Preservation Models kit, to thin it way down, and to place a freight door on the second floor, to allow for the addition of an Icing platform, so I can work in Icing reefers into the operating routine.

    when I poured the foundation I made it the wrong size, or I hadn't built the building yet, but in any case the foundation is too short, so some work must be done to get the Harlow Coal and Ice Co in business.

    Last night I attacked some foam core with a single edge, and knocked out the pieces of a form, which I glued to the existing foundation and the ground with white glue, which will keep the plaster from leaking out, and should be removable after the pour is done.

    the first picture shows the stone bridge over the North fork of Crooked Creek @ Montgomery Furnace. note the dam for and foundation for the old powerhouse (not built yet), which will have a water wheel, and the smoke stack for the new powerhouse (also not built yet, which will be in a insanely complicated pile of sheds extending from the ols power houThe second photo shows the cast bridge supports under the Southern Rwy. also shown is a new piece of foam core rd, (the crossing is yet to be built), and the front side of the Imperial Desk and Chair company, which conceals the end of the backdrop.

    The 3rd photo shows the icehouse, and the fourth shows the form for the extension of the icehouse's foundation, as well as the concret coal bins under the coal unloading deck, which were also made by pouring plaster into a form.

    Bill Nelson
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  9. Hoorhaylowe

    Hoorhaylowe New Member

    You're really moving along now. Which way will the water wheel turn on you power house?
  10. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    It will be and undershot wheel and thus, looking toward the waterwheel, outside of the building, it will turn counter clockwise to operate the billows ( although it will be modeled in the abandoned state, having been replaced with s steam operated bellows, as a part of the conversion from a charcoal operated iron Furnace to a coke operated iron furnace.

    I went with an undershot wheel, as I have a overshot wheel on the water powered sawmill up in the gizzard. unfourtunately due to the twisted geography of the Gizzard (they don't call it the Gizzard for nothin), the wheel is almost impossible to see.

    Bill Nelson
  11. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    SML fnd  fits now!.jpg SML fnd pr.jpg SML form off.jpg the form is off!

    I got the form off the foundation. I have had my 3 cups of tea, and now I have to go do some plumping, in an attempt to get a temporary bathroom functional on the main floor of my 130 year old house.

    I have been doing ground cover in the area as well, so I will have to wait until all that diluted white glue is dry befor I scrape some of it off the road, and try to repair some of the paint on the foundation

    When I get a freight platform built on the back side of that siding for the lumber store, and an icing platform on the front side, as well a a building to cover the coal pockets further down the siding, this is going to be a busy scene.

    Bill Nelson
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  12. Doctor G

    Doctor G Active Member

    Superb modeling Bill. I really like the Ice house and Coal Bin scene. Lot of "eye candy" there. Should be plenty of work there for the 1920's LP facing the great depression. Thanks for giving them jobs!!!

    Doc Tom:thumb:
  13. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    spotting cars for the Hardware and lumber store, as well as coal cars, and refers on that on siding is going to make for some interesting switching. #9 has to go to the engine shops too, it's front truck is a little to tight, and doesn't want to follow the outrageous vertical curve going up that hill, surprisingly #22 my overland 2-4-4-2 walks right up that hill. if it's front coupler was better I could switch with it.
  14. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    SML dnt Hlw w crssing.jpg sml ces @ dpt st..jpg another crossing

    I have another crossing installed, this one in Downtown Harlow (on the other side of the backdrop from Southside, where my other recent work has taken place.

    Here are two photos one close up. Note the expansion cracks on the foam core road which are highlighted with a #2 pencil. other cracks there are pure pencil. I have expansion cracks carved into some of the plaster roads, which disappear. Time to get the pencil out and get to work. this intersection is begging for traffic light, and a keep right sign on the bridge peir.

    The other photo shows most of this side of Harlow. you can see how the Imperial Desk and Chair building wraps around the 2x4 stud wall which holds the backdrops, and supports the Gizzard (level 4) over Harlow. at this angle, you can see that most of the buildings are partial buildings, up against the backdrop, to give me the illusion of a urban area in a very little space.

    Bill Nelson
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  15. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Active Member

    The only cracks I see are major earthquake size according to the scale. :confused:
  16. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member

    As a child of the deep South, I grew up ridding on old concrete roads. These were used in the deep south (I'm pushing it having them in the extreme South Eastern corner of Tennessee.)

    They were not used much further north, ( or they were removed sooner further north, as frost heave played absolute havoc with them . If you paved over them, they worked like tectonic plates, and the pavement over the expansion joints disintedrated. to get a smooth road over one of these, you had to dig it out, and start over

    as a child, making the long trips down those roads in the days before the interstate, the progress was marked by the noise of the tires over the expansion joints, thump thump thump thump......... on and on for ever, with the tempo and volume varied only by your speed .

    Those roads are long gone, thanks be to God, so I can't go and neasure them, but I remember very well, and the sharp #2 pencil line looks right for the expansion joint, and the shadow where they weren't flush, and the tar patch that was inevitably put on the joint.

    Iffin you don't think it looks right, it is pretty certain you wasn't there.

    Bill Nelson.
  17. Sawdust

    Sawdust Member

    Hey Bill, looks like you have been very busy. It sounds like Mountain Man touched your nerve a little.:mrgreen: I don't see any pics on #254 concerning the cracks but one of my concerns falling into the constructive critizism area that you should learn to take a little better is your stone walls. I know from your previous work you like those a lot & it shows, just a little too much of them. Your in logging country & a few made from logs would look good as well. You might need to check your scale of stone sizes from time to time too. Some of your walls are way out of scale for instance: Post #248 the last pic the foundation for the white building in the back. That building I would assume is close to 24' wide because of your window placement giving the 2 rooms 12' each. The foundation is 5 stones wide making each stone nearly 5' wide each :eek: I know you didn't like my idea of the middle post on the Surrey Parker project & your response to me was like the one you gave Mountain Man criticizing your road. Just remember the better we all get in all things that we do the closer people look for things that are wrong or questionable. That's what makes us all better in all that we do.
  18. Bill Nelson

    Bill Nelson Well-Known Member


    Those stones on the white house are perfectly appropriate (for a Mayan temple) The foundation there is pink foam , a quickie job, because it won't show, the building is blanked one side by the lumber shed, on the other side by the Imperial Desk and Chair company ,and the shed that will go over the coal unloading dock will block the view from the front; nobody is going to be able to see this foundation, and there will probably be some vines growing there.

    When I had posted the photo of the road, I didn't load the photos, so I edited them in. tater it seams that Zealot later lost the edit, and the photo wasn't viable later. So some saw my massive cracks, and others couldn't later. I went and edited them back in. so you can go back and see those cracks.

    These cracks are certainly subjective , remembered from my youth, I don't have photo's or plans , but you could see them down the road, as the height of the slaps would vary. and they would patch the joint with black tar. If you had driven through Birmingham Alabama before the eighties, you would know these roads, or wonder why the asphalt road (built on top of these) was so bumpy.
  19. ytter_man

    ytter_man Member

    There's only three guarantees with concrete;

    1: It'll get HARD
    2: It'll turn Grey
    3: It'll crack.

    They started using concrete with expansion slots to pave a 4 lane road about 40 miles from me and it broke into little bits 2 years after the fact when ice forced the joints apart. Pothole city. I think it looks fine :thumb:
  20. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Active Member

    Funny...the highway over the Donner pass is made of concrete sections, as are numerous highways through the mountains of Colorado, places that get a lot more frost than the Deep South. Oh, and did I mention that the German autobahn was built entirely of concrete? Lot of snow and ice in parts of Germany, especially in the Alps. Guess you probably haven't been there. :rolleyes:

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