CPR caboose...

Discussion in 'The Real Thing- North America' started by doctorwayne, Jan 1, 2008.

  1. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    I was going to put this in the recently revived "Show us your caboose" thread, but thought that modellers of the CPR might be interested to see this old photo. I took the photo in September 1963, in North Bay, Ontario, mainly because I'd never seen a CPR caboose like the one in the centre. The first pic is a scan of the negative, which I think is generally of a better quality:

    This is a scan of the print, which more clearly shows the plated-over windows:

    I don't have any more info on this, except the the caboose's number appears to be 437434. I at first thought that it might be a flanger, but there's a string of boxcars on the next track back, which I think accounts for the dark shapes under both the centre and right cars.

  2. RonP

    RonP Member of the WMRC

    interesting photo doc i like the fact that each are differant looking it gives me an idea for a project.
  3. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    Thanks for taking a look, guys. The camera was a German-made Gevavert (?), I think - a simple box camera which took decent pictures, although I couldn't get any closer to the subject due to all the track and a lot of train movement, too.
    Charlie, the scanner is an Epson V100, and seems to do a pretty good job, although I probably need to learn more about using it properly. :rolleyes: The kids got it for me for Christmas, and my youngest daughter, who's an artist, hunted around until she found an Epson. She's had several others, but feels that Epsons give the truest colour rendition, important in her line of work. Scanning negatives other than 35mm size is hit or miss, though, as I suspect the software isn't set-up to read film in larger sizes. I just placed the negative about where a 35mm would go, but you can see that some of it was cut off. Too bad, 'cause I have a box of 120 and 620 negs that I'd like to scan (no train pics, though).
    I'm slowly working my way through my small collection of photos, both prototype and models, and am disappointed in the poor quality of many of them. The scanner can only fix-up so much. ;):-D

  4. RobertInOntario

    RobertInOntario Active Member

    Interesting pics and info, Wayne (quick note while logging in from England!). Rob
  5. 60103

    60103 Pooh Bah

    Wayne: does the scanner do slides as well?
    The caboose doesn't look CP at all; was it a replacement for one that PRR borrowed and smashed? :mrgreen:
  6. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    I also thought that it had a Pennsy look to it, although it seems longer.
    And yes, the scanner does do slides. It also allows you to correct backlit photos, handy for shots of the TH&B in Hamilton. ;) There are a few of those HERE .

  7. nachoman

    nachoman Guest

    I can't imagine it was being used as a caboose. Why would they remove the windows? Can you imagine working in a car like that with no windows? Maybe it was converted for use as some kind of mobile tool car or workshop.

  8. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    To be honest, I hadn't even noticed that the windows were covered over until I saw the scan of the print. The caboose to the left is a wooden one, which lasted in service well past 1963, so it's doubtful that they would've "wasted" a caboose when they were still using them daily. I wasn't actually railfanning when I took the photo: although I have always liked trains, and was pleased to see stuff previously unseen, I had very little knowledge of what was happening on the rail scene. I was accompanying my Uncle on a trip to various places in Northern Ontario, and was particularily excited to be seeing that area of the country. :-D

  9. railwaybob

    railwaybob Member

    The caboose may not be a caboose but a "flanger" used to clear the snow from between the rails either after the snow plows had gone by or in tandem with the snowplow - snowplow, engine, flanger, caboose.

    The lines of the "caboose" are definitely not CPR but look like PRR, NYC, or some other American railroad.

    Also, take a look at the caboose to the right. This is an odd one as the cupola is located in the centre and not at one end as was the usual practice. Also, the cupola has two windows rather than the single window as was the custom with CP cabooses.

    The cupola on flangers was usually located in the middle so that the flanger could be used in both directions. The flanger blade was a "double V-shaped blade" so that it could operate in both directions. The flanger operator operated the blade from the cupola, lifting the blade at level crossings. The approach of a level crossing was indicated to both the snow plow operator and the flanger operator by a sign close to the level crossing - two horizontal white circles on a black background. You can still see these signs today about 100' or so on each side of the level crossing.

    Bob M.
  10. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    Bob, I've been looking at the photo, which is of a pretty poor quality, and the boxcars, which I thought were on the track immediately behind these cars, appear to have another track between them and the cabooses. This is evidenced by what looks to be part of a gondola, visible between the coupled ends of the two cars with the centred cupolas. The lower two words of the stacked Canadian Pacific Railway on one of the boxcars is blocked. This would help to explain why the dark shapes visible below the cabooses don't line up where the boxcar roofs would suggest that they should be. The boxcar visible between the caboose on the left and the Pennsy-style car is not blocked by anything on the track with the gondola, suggesting the the shape under the Pennsy car, just right of the left-hand truck, may be the gondola's left-end truck. The right-end truck is visible below the couplers of the two centre-cupola cars, and it appears as if there's another car coupled to the gondola. If so, it's either a very short car with yet another car coupled to it, or, it's a regular-length car whose right truck is visible just to the left of the right truck of the caboose at the right of the picture. If the latter is true, the right hand "caboose" is actually a flanger,as you suggest, with the blades directly below the cupola. That still leaves the Pennsy-style car as a mystery, although I have to agree that it's not likely being used as a caboose.

  11. 60103

    60103 Pooh Bah

    Wayne: I just checked the oldest Trackside Guide I have (1986). The list of CP steel cabooses has a big gap between 437394 and 437442.
    The Flanger listing in 1990 has them in the 400xxx series (and all on the dead line).
  12. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    As best I can make out, the wooden car at left is 437431, the Pennsy-style car is 437434, and the one on the right with the centred cupola is 437309. As I said, the picture was taken in 1963, and only because the car in the centre struck me as looking out-of-place.

  13. Squidbait

    Squidbait Recovering ALCO-holic

    OK folks, I had to go to a higher authority for this info (Don McQueen)...

    He wrote:

    So there y'go!
  14. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    Thanks, Marc, that pretty well 'splains both of the centre cupola cars, and, as I mentioned, the other one is a standard CPR wooden caboose.

  15. Squidbait

    Squidbait Recovering ALCO-holic

    A bit more info:

  16. Squidbait

    Squidbait Recovering ALCO-holic

    A little more info:

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