Couplers Old vs New

[Amrap1]

Is it better to change couplers on older rolling stock to match the newer knuckler couplers on NEW locos? Or the other way around? The only advantage that I've heard of with the new couplers is that you can uncouple them with a magnet in the track. Is there any other reason?

Ed

 

[TruckLover]

I also think they look better and more realistic, that is just my opinion

 

[green_elite_cab]

they work, look, and operate better than the hornhooks. horn hooks will only get in your way. just make the switch. not point in keeping those old junky hornhook couplers, because there is no valid arguement to keep them. they might hold together well, and thats it.

 

[shaygetz]

It'a always good to change over to the magnetic knuckle couplers. Kadee has made it very easy to do so. My suggestion would be not to use the talgo conversion kit, which is the likely one you need, and go for body mount. The stresses of coupling directly applied to the trucks in the talgo conversions makes for many derailments. Any number of Gaugers, myself included, can walk you thru basic body mounting techniques. Go for it---think of it as a marketable job skill.:thumb:

 

[Amrap1]

Shay,

Ok...tell me how to do it.

Ed

 

[jbaakko]

I allways say, screw em all, Buy Sergents!

 

[Roger Hensley]

Shay,
Ok...tell me how to do it.
Ed

Ok, here is a page that tells you how.
http://www.nmra.org/beginner/retrucking.html

 

[nkp174]

An important note I don't see here...

Have you ever had any success backing up a train with horn-hooks? With Kadees, it isn't a problem.

 

[Russ Bellinis]

An important note I don't see here...

Have you ever had any success backing up a train with horn-hooks? With Kadees, it isn't a problem.

It isn't a problem if the couplers are body mounted. I've never tried to back with body mounted hornhooks because I've always gone directly to Kaddees in all kits and when converting from talgo to body mounted couiplers. If you are running talgo (truck mounted) couplers, it doesn't matter which type of coupler you use, they will derail when backing around a turn.

 

[shaygetz]

Shay,

Ok...tell me how to do it.

Ed

I've got a couple I need to do, I'll take pics as I'm going then I'll post them for you:thumb:

 

[Amrap1]

Wouldn't be easier and cheaper to just buy NEW cars?

Ed

 

[KCS]

I allways say, screw em all, Buy Sergents!

I'm with jbaakko on that one. announce1 Sergents rule!:thumb:

 

[Russ Bellinis]

I'm with jbaakko on that one. announce1 Sergents rule!:thumb:

I think it depends on where he is operating his trains. Most of my operation is done on a modular layout when the club sets up at shows. So called "scale sized" Kaddee #58s don't work reliably on a modular set up because of variances in floors and whoop-de-do's between modules. I don't think it would be possible to get a set of Sergents to stay coupled all the way around the layout even once. My home layout, when we get done with the house remodeling so that I can build the layout, will be run with Sergent's couplers.

 

[Amrap1]

Today I bought 2 Athearns "assemble them yourself" cars. They have the knuckle couplers and are mounted on the body and not the truck. It's been along time since I put a "model" together but with patience and some duct tape ( just kidding ) they both came out real nice! I went down to my layout with a big grin and started to line em' up with one of my Bachmann Locos. The Bachmann's coupler is higher! Just enough to uncouple even at slow speed. SO, I tried the other Bachmann...same thing!

ARGH!
Ed

 

[Russ Bellinis]

Today I bought 2 Athearns "assemble them yourself" cars. They have the knuckle couplers and are mounted on the body and not the truck. It's been along time since I put a "model" together but with patience and some duct tape ( just kidding ) they both came out real nice! I went down to my layout with a big grin and started to line em' up with one of my Bachmann Locos. The Bachmann's coupler is higher! Just enough to uncouple even at slow speed. SO, I tried the other Bachmann...same thing!

ARGH!
Ed

You need to get a Kaddee coupler height gauge. Athearn cars tend to have low couplers, but the Bachmann cars could have high couplers. If the rest of your couplers all line up and the Athearn cars are the only ones low, you can get shim washers from Kaddee in red and grey color. The grey ones are thinner than the red ones. You put a shim washer between the truck and the car body and the coupler height is automatically raised up to make it match the rest of the train. I don't remember the price, but a package contains 100 or so shims and is very cheap. I bought a package of each size 30 years ago and still haven't used them all.

 

[LongIslandTom]

Today I bought 2 Athearns "assemble them yourself" cars. They have the knuckle couplers and are mounted on the body and not the truck. It's been along time since I put a "model" together but with patience and some duct tape ( just kidding ) they both came out real nice! I went down to my layout with a big grin and started to line em' up with one of my Bachmann Locos. The Bachmann's coupler is higher! Just enough to uncouple even at slow speed. SO, I tried the other Bachmann...same thing!

ARGH!

I just got a shipment of 15 blue-box Athearn freight cars myself from Toy Train Heaven this week and got done putting a lot of them together.. At less than $6 a pop I couldn't resist.

Compared to older BB kits with the chronic low-coupler problem as Russ mentioned, I find that most of the ones in my shipment have good coupler height.. Looks like Athearn did some retooling with their most recent BB kits.

The only ones in my BB shipment with low coupler heights are the cabooses... I had to use Kadee #47 underset couplers to get the right height with those.

I'd say it's most likely those Bachmanns have couplers mounted too high. Maybe you should get overset Kadees for them.

One of the reasons why I bought those BB kits was because I was setting up a Christmas Tree circle.. Very pleased with the result. I got an Athearn BB Super Weight F7 (which also required underset Kadee #47s) pulling a string of BB kits on a 15" (!) radius around the Christmas Tree, and by golly does it look good doing it! :thumb:

(BTW the F7 has the close-coupling mod I did, and it looks mighty good, even on 15"r!) train97

 

[jbaakko]

I think it depends on where he is operating his trains. Most of my operation is done on a modular layout when the club sets up at shows. So called "scale sized" Kaddee #58s don't work reliably on a modular set up because of variances in floors and whoop-de-do's between modules. I don't think it would be possible to get a set of Sergents to stay coupled all the way around the layout even once. My home layout, when we get done with the house remodeling so that I can build the layout, will be run with Sergent's couplers.

They stay coupled WAY better then anything else, try it out, buy two of the assmbled 5 packs, and run a 5 car train :thumb: