Thank you Gearz. I fondly remember your original response to using UMC2. I think the topic vanished in the move but I'll have a look and start something if only to let this thread subside. Unfortunately my work is taking up a lot of my own time and what few brain cellsI still have at the moment so I can't get myself motivated to do much apart from lurk and watch the better focussed progress astonishingly. Yeah the mighty Bucc is a wonderous thing. I have vivid memories of spectacular beat ups by the RAF versions of their birthplace. Spookily my current company has just had an enquiry from Thunder City so I may yet be inspired.