Anyone have a resource???

Discussion in 'Getting Started' started by iis612, Dec 18, 2007.

  1. iis612

    iis612 Member

    I am trying (with no success) to find color photos of prototype steam engines. Does anyone know where I might find some?
  2. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

    Which railroad are you looking for?

    Some of the photos are colour at Fallen Flags - try google to find the link. The photos are arranged by rr, then by loco number, so you take your chances. Also a fairly slow site, at least last time I was there. But probably one of the best repositories of pictures.

  3. steamhead

    steamhead Active Member

    Remember that color came pretty late in the steam color pics are probably 100:1 vs. black and white....
  4. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    Another thing to keep in mind is that not all colour images age well, so the colour that you see may be nothing like the actual colour was. :rolleyes:

  5. iis612

    iis612 Member

    Fallen Flags does have a huge repository, but lacking the one railroad I was klooking for, Pere Marquette.
  6. bigsteel

    bigsteel Call me Mr.Tinkertrain

    is there a pere marquette historical society? if there is try them,its probably your best bet.the COHS has some pics of PM engines when the C&O acquired them.but not much before.--josh
  7. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

    Is it included under its parent road(s)? I have a feeling that the PM was owned by two other, bigger roads, kind of like TH&B or CASO... but the details escape me... hamr

  8. iis612

    iis612 Member

    PM was under control of C&O from the 1929 ICC debacle, but was operated independantly until it's merger with C&O in 1947
  9. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

    So, if the PM does not exist on Fallen Flags, and C&O may not have any pictures - what is your original need? (EDIT - it can be found on FF under

    If you need to match colours, old photos may not be the best way (as per Wayne's post). You might get better results looking for a historical society and/or yahoo group (for example) to get specifics.

    If you are looking for weathering, then pictures of other steamers of the same type and age may suffice.

    Hope that helps.

  10. iis612

    iis612 Member

    :band1: You Rock!!!

    I was looking for some prototype photos to see how well maintained the equipment was. It appears from all the pics I have found, and the ones I have been directed to, that they kept them well.

    Thanks for finding the misc-p.

  11. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

    You're welcome! :)

  12. iis612

    iis612 Member

    I found a really depressing photo there. They had 5 4-8-2's lined up, waiting to be taken to the scrappers torch. I have no real attachment, or reason to be sentimental about the PM, but that pic made me sad.
  13. MasonJar

    MasonJar It's not rocket surgery

    Ian Wilson's great CN book Steam at Allendale has pictures of the "deadlines" in the inside cover. There are dozens of locos waiting to be towed (the last great indiginity) to their appointment with the torch. Made me very sad to see.

    I am constantly reminded of Andy Sperandeo's great quote:

    "Mine is the truest form of nostalgia: The fond memory of something never experienced."

    I am too young (though not by alot) to have seen steam in regular operation. I did see some of the "first generation" steam excursions with locos that temporarily survived, but are now gone for good. :(

  14. Triplex

    Triplex Active Member

    And there lies the problem. There wasn't much color photography until the 50s.
    Not all roads maintained their steamers equally well. This is another reason color photos won't be good in many cases. They usually show steam when it was in decline, and thus no longer well-kept.

    But it seems you've managed to find something good enough.

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