Another Steam Locomotive Hunt

Discussion in 'HO Scale Model Trains' started by DeckRoid, Dec 9, 2007.

  1. DeckRoid

    DeckRoid Member

    Hi there

    There is fellow in my club that wants to recreate the railway that went by his home when he was a kid. He lived in NY, and of course it was the NYC commuter trains that ran by his house.

    They had some 4-6-0 engines that weren't like the 10 wheelers I have seen around. He showed me a picture in a book he has and it's a great looking engine. For the record, its a Pacific 4-6-0 F12e. I have yet to find anyone who even made these in the past. I have been looking for about 2 weeks now. The only one I can find is a brass model that's at a "Build Your Own" kind of site.

    I told Dave I would look around and see what I could find. So far, bubkus.

    Thanks for any info you fellahs can give.

  2. Ralph

    Ralph's for fun!

    Hi George,

    Did he mention if he lived along the West Shore Line by any chance? I might have the same book he has. I don't have any info on models that might represent the loco you mentioned but I'm curious about his location Just nosey. :)
  3. nachoman

    nachoman Guest

    Didn't model railroader have an article about scratchbuilding one out of brass about 10 years ago? As with most steam engine prototypes, there isn't a RTR model in either plastic or brass. You can usually get a decent representation by finding an available model, and then changing the details. Sometimes is is just a matter of modifying cab windows and relocating headlights and bells.

  4. Dan Vincent

    Dan Vincent Member

    Are you talking about the ERIE or Erie-Lackawanna railroad?. It was a big commuter line.
  5. nkp174

    nkp174 Active Member

    Nachoman is right...Stephan Anderson...Oct 1997-May 1998.
  6. DeckRoid

    DeckRoid Member

    I can't remember, exactly, which town Dave is from. I do know that it was the New York Central and where the tracks were is now like 40 miles of nature walk. He showed me books with pics and maps and other info.

    Here is a pic from one book. Everyone in the club said "Pacific 4-6-0? You mean the Pacific 4-6-2." It was a fun discussion full of "you're crazy" and then the books came out.

    And Nachoman thanks for the heads up. Looks like Kalambach press put out a book with 47 pages on how to scratch build a brass engine. I suggested that to him, but he said it's the thrill of the hunt to find one. I can't blame him. From what I have heard and read, building your own must be a daunting task. I don't think I could ever build one; don't have the right tools, am terrible with the tools I already have... that kind of thing.

    Thanks for the info.


    ** why don't more companies put out the mid range steam engines? Why all the 4-8-8-4 and the like? Not that I don't like the big boys, I do, but it would be nice to see the mid size instead of just early steam and late steam.
  7. Kanawha

    Kanawha Member

    There's a definite lack of 4-6-2's, 4-4-2's, and 2-6-0's on the market. Atlantic's especially, and they're such graceful looking engines.
  8. nkp174

    nkp174 Active Member

    The big problem with plastic engines is that you'll lose your tail if can't sell at least 10,000 copies or so...the tooling cost is very high. Since there wasn't any kind of a standard for modern would guarantee than producing them in plastic would be a huge failure...especially NYC since while many people like their Hudsons...there is very little demand for most of their roster.

    The closest thing to that ten wheeler you'll find would be Bowser's NYC K-11 pacific. It was a small dual service 4-6-2...with very similar lines to that ten wheeler...

    The basic kit from their catalog is $85. The detailing kit is $37.

    Also, scratch building is really not as difficult as you think...and it is a ton of fun. If I was him, I'd start with a K-11 pacific...and then order a second set of running gear & detail parts to build my pacific...following Stephan's articles.
  9. DeckRoid

    DeckRoid Member

    That sounds like a great idea...

    I will run all this past him Tuesday night when we meet again.

    Thanks for all your info and input, folks!

  10. thaddeusthudpucker

    thaddeusthudpucker New Member

    hey was just searching on google about scratchbuilding and found this main problem in wintertime is lack of things to do!!! Mr DeckRoid, you have any good links for scratching out Steam locos? any thought on where to start? (first timer. I previously passed my time by fixing to the best of the parts i had on hand some REALLY old diesels...)
  11. DeckRoid

    DeckRoid Member

    Me? No. I am a newbie. However there are a lot, and I mean A LOT, of folks here who chip in with assistance in finding stuff.
  12. CNJ999

    CNJ999 Member

    All the ten-wheelers ever offered in HO that closely resemble, or are exact replicas of NYC F-12's, have been done strictly in brass.

    The NYC F-12e has been produced by:
    International (1962)
    Gem Models (1975)
    Precision Scale (1989)

    A large run of NYC F-12a engines was also done by Precision Scale in 1989

    Somewhat less accurate, although still considered to be NYC ten-wheelers, have been offered by:
    Smart Products (1960)
    LMB (1961)
    Precision Miniatures (1961)

  13. doctorwayne

    doctorwayne Active Member

    The Bachmann 10-Wheeler can be kitbashed into a credible model of the NYC F-82 class, although they're probably older and smaller than what you're looking for.

  14. nkp174

    nkp174 Active Member

    I'd recommend either getting started with some scratch building in plastic or brass. Scratch built locomotives in plastic are especially popular in the garden scales.

    You can either recycle a mechanism or build your own.

    Do you have much experience working with either brass or plastic?
  15. DeckRoid

    DeckRoid Member

    Holy Schnikies. Where...? How..?!? Thank you very much for the info. Where did you find all this?!?

    I think Dave is ordering the kit from Bowser next week.


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