1:16 Space Shuttle flight deck

Discussion in 'Space & Aeronautics' started by Tonino, Jul 4, 2016.

  1. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Hi guys! I'm back to work after summer vacations! I've just concluded test build of internal structures. In the meantime I've started also the BIG redesign work on the instrument panels, I'll post some preview soon.
    Here is what I've done recently.

    Please excuse the bad quality of those photos. I'm experiencing some kind of (electrical? magnetic? radio?) interference that causes big horizontal bands to appear on the LCD screen and in the actual pictures. I don't know where they are originated... I'm still investigating...

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    The pilot seat is just a rough shape, basically correct but it needs big improvements (and I've just started thinking about....) The joystick and his base will receive same treatment obviously. The control box behind the seat should not be sitting on the floor but is to be fixed on the lower backside... well, lot of work to do here around...

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    The HUD structure is another piece of work to be redone from scratch. At least lateral mounts. The various switch boxes can be saved cause they are just basic shapes. A good re-texturing will be enough.

    All the remaining aft details was added. I'll not talk about the joysticks that was good for the little scale but not acceptable in this one. Camera monitors on the right have a strange shape to keep them in the correct angle but that's not their real appearance so will need some redrawing. Other shapes are good (they are only simple boxes, I'll just have to check their dimensions and relative proportions...)

    The seat in place. Dimensions seem to be pretty correct except for the Joystick box... Perhaps also the headrest is just a little too "tall and thin"...


    Other views of the pilot seat in place...

    Now I'll have to start the conversion work (enlargement) on the parts needed to build external walls of the front fuselage. This won't be an easy task, I should think about how to cut the parts and let them find a place in A4 pages... See you soon: I'll be back in a flash! ;)
  2. Rhaven Blaack

    Rhaven Blaack ADMINISTRATOR Administrator

    This is turning into a beautiful piece of work.
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  3. Nando

    Nando Designer Extraordinaire

    Welcome back Tonino! Reading your plan, it seems to me that every part you are reworking is a project by itself. I'll follow your progress with interest, because i'm sure that the final result will be astonishing.
    Best, Nando :)
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  4. Revell-Fan

    Revell-Fan Co-Administrator Administrator

    Wonderful to see you back on this beauty! :)
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  5. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    Looking great Tonino!! You could reinforce those pieces with strips of Balsa which will give you a good surface to glue or locate pins off of. I do not think those windows on the outside right and left are the correct shape. This becomes difficult because the heat tiles, and the cloth that insulates and is made to take the heat, and fill the space between the tiles and the windows frame really make it difficult to determine the final shape. I am of the opinion is build it up, and the real shape will present itself to you. You'll be the final judge, and I believe it will be fine. ;)
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  6. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Thanks to all of you for your feedback!
    Really this one I'm doing is just a test to determine general shapes and fitting of the parts as well as figure how the final build will be composed and divided in many sub-assemblies. I'm thinking about placing some LEDs inside the consoles so I have to study a compromise between structure stiffness and light paths. I think I'll have to draw several layers and open holes in strategic points without weakening too much the panels also considering that I'll have to nail all the switch guards through them (IF I'll have the heart to face the challenge ... but I'm afraid I already know the answer to this question!)... they will be one of the major challenges. Another one will be to figure the way to couple the modified external fuselage with the internal one in a way the original model wasn't intended to be realized. I'll have to invent a way to access the inside to appreciate the work on the panels (removable/hinged upper section?). I don't want to look inside only through the windows.
    Lot of decisions to take... well: I'm starting to enjoy a lot this project! :D
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2016
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  7. SonOfAGun2501

    SonOfAGun2501 Member

    Wow, really looking good Tonino. I am really enjoying this thread. Keep up the great work. Watching this with great interest.
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  8. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    Ever consider fiber optics, instead of LED's? With Fiber Optics, you can light up a whole switchboard with pin holes, and split the other ends, and light them with multi colored LEDs, to give a varied look. My 1973 450SL Instrument pod is lit with a big far Fiber Optic strand and the bulb is in the center counsel, under the center counsel, that is.. ;)
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  9. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Zathros, it's an interesting idea, I'll have to think about it a bit. Anyway I think fiber optics are best to realize light points, good to simulate little lights or real LEDs... Here I need, I think, a more diffuse light source as I want to light from behind all the CRT screens and point-like lights would be too ... concentrated?
    Perhaps a mix of both?
  10. THE DC

    THE DC Member

    This is looking amazing!
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  11. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    A mix is a must to get the result your aiming for. Since the Fiber optics can be lit with LEDs, your circuit will not be difficult to design. It will probably be a series-parallel set up, but there are many ways you can go. Conductive Silver glue could be used for making "fabricated" circuit boards, for tight spaces. Seeing how LEDs come in all shapes and sizes, you could glue a LED to a piece of paper, and use Silver conductive glue to wire it in, allowing for paper switches the really work.
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  12. Revell-Fan

    Revell-Fan Co-Administrator Administrator

    Fiber optics are best glued into place with Elmer's glue. Do not use solvent-based glue or they will be damaged (super glue makes them brittle). Cut it flush with the surface with a side cutter.

    (Of course, you may even be bold and shorten them by using the flame of a lighter..! :D ;) )
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  13. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    As promised here I am with my first completely redesigned panels. I decided to start with overhead panels O1 O2 and O3.

    Above is the original Thorst 1:48 panel. Perfect for that scale but not enough detailed for my 1:16 cockpit. Below is my brand new panel. I started from scratch pasting a collage of NASA original schemes from the "Main Shuttle Crew Operations Manual" to act as a reference.
    Drawing on it I recreated every single gauge, every screw, every writing that I was able to reproduce.
    Another great reference was the complete 360° Endeavour cabin you can find at Gigapan website.

    As you can see from a closer view I choose the hardest way to do this work...

    (BTW, some of you may have noticed I put only black dots in the place where switch guards are to be placed instead of drawing them... :D)

    Let's go closer...


    Compare with a real photo of the same spot.


    OK I know the detail I'm putting in is too much for the dimension it will be printed and the great part of this work will be invisible once completed... But as this is fully vector file it will be scalable to any size you want so, if you want to realize a real size model of the cockpit - 1:1 - you'll be able to make it without any loss of detail.

    Well, this is only the first piece of the digital work... much more to come... this will be a LONG way to walk... ;)
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  14. THE DC

    THE DC Member

    Looking awesome!

    The detail effort is worth it.
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  15. SonOfAGun2501

    SonOfAGun2501 Member

    Holy freaking awesome. You are killing this. Keep up the great work. Everything is looking fantastic!
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  16. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    This is greebler pornography!! Incredible! Claphands
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  17. subnuke

    subnuke Moderator Intelligence Extraordinaire Moderator

    Looking good, looking good, looking good!
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  18. bigpetr

    bigpetr New Member

    You are one of a perfectionist :). Superb work.
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  19. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Yesssssss!!!!!! :D
  20. Gandolf50

    Gandolf50 Researcher of obscure between war vehicles... Moderator

    Actually the more detail you have in a vector, will show up better when you down size your print!! so as a perfectionist I say " Your getting there"!! ;)

    Let me know when you get ready to cut out all your toggle guards...I have an idea for you!! :)

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