1:16 Space Shuttle flight deck

Discussion in 'Space & Aeronautics' started by Tonino, Jul 4, 2016.

  1. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    OK I'm back guys! Just returned from my mountains vacation! Just like past year I took with me my "cardmodeler's travel kit" (do you remember it?) and, as we had some very rainy days (big thunderstorms, better not go outside!) I had once more the chance to do some "work" ... for my wife's joy!

    @nero_on_fire : WOW very nice link you gave me! I've seen before similar 360° photos but never one so much "zoomable"!!! You can actually dive into the switches! Very useful! Tanks a lot. I'll go there very often I think... It would be nice to save the image in some way. Anyone knows if this is possible?

    Well, back to the "mountain build"...

    The front wall was divided (like other big pieces) in sub-components with "special" tabs realized to join them. This wall, as you'll see after, is a little too weak in this scale. Perhaps would be better to double it.

    The upper console was divided in 3 slices in the same way.

    The 6 pieces are joined in one. The fitting is very good so far.

    The dashboard is the most interesting spot (I LOVE dashboards... like many Flight Simulation enthusiast!) The two "TAB?" writings were soon disproved... there's no contact with the upper console there (as I thought).

    After joining the parts I noticed that the HUD boxes are a little too big: they push back the dashboard. Another point to enhance is the lower side of the console, I'll have to detail it adding the underside and the lights.

    Here you see why the tabs in that spot would have been useless... In the front lower part is an opening that I will have to close somehow.

    And the same on the other side.
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  2. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    The pedals: their basic shape is good for a 1/48 model but I'll have to think to something a little bit more complex.

    The ceiling is a really complex piece, but a great attention-catcher in this model. I'll have to do some work here also.

    Here I found the first real fit issue. The upper-lateral right wall will need some adjustment.

    And so will the left side

    Those pouches will have to be less "square"

    This is the appearance of the whole thing in its present state. I didn't glue the front section (it's only placed in position) as I'll have to take some measures and I need to reach the inner details easily.

    This is the reason for I talked about reinforcing the front wall (previous post). During the transportation the ceiling section pushed on the windows distorting the frames, as you see here. The transparent pieces will add some rigidity but I think that a double layer of cardboard is needed here.

    Next time the seats...
  3. blake7

    blake7 Member

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  4. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Thanks Blake, but I've found something even better, I think...

    Looking to the code of the page linked by Nero I've found the place that panorama came from and, searching around, I've found two wonderful more views of the Endeavour - that's the one I'm going to represent:

    by day

    and by night that is great to study the lighting effects...

    you can zoom until you have a single screw filling the whole screen... fantastic!!!!

    Do you think I'm jocking?

    Screenshot 2016-07-26 19.07.38.png

    Moreover, seen in their original website, the images are much more usable (the flash applet embedded in NG site was not very practical: turning mouse wheel to zoom in and out makes the page scroll while zooming) and here you can put image in fullscreen, very nice! :D
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  5. blake7

    blake7 Member

    I use jing for a lot of things including this screen grab of a PDO, which I put in a WORD 2007 beside my picture of a build I am working on. I then did a screen grab of both side by side, so that people can see how far I am, and how far I still have to go before I finish.


    But you are right! That is one heck of a zoom function!
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  6. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    Tonino, remember that there is an inner and outer surface, so feel free to re-enforce that area, as it will not be visible, but leave room to simulate the thickness of the glass, you will probably need two pieces per window as the glass is ship, and the double Hull is something too many designers leave out. I would recommend building each window as separate assemblies,as in this size, they will be most noticeable.

    I had to insert the images as for some reason I could not upload any?!?

    Looking at this photo,you can get an idea of the thickness by the bulkheads on the outer shell being mated to the inner crew compartment.




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  7. Nando

    Nando Designer Extraordinaire

    I agree that the crew compartment is a separated structure from the rest of the Orbiter frame, simply because it is the only sealed part of the ship, maintaining the pressurized atmosphere needed for the human breathing beings.
    Here some pics of the crew compartment during its assembly with the Orbiter structure.

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    About the second picture (first drawing) you posted, I think is not properly the Orbiter we know.
    Here You can see that it's a earlier version dating at 1972, that differs from the final version in having a different shape of the fuselage and also an air-breathing propulsion system.
    Tonino, I'm sure you can go ahead and complete this challenging project. For sure there are many way to design the interior, but the big scale that you choose adds more difficulties, requesting a major attention to the details.
    My encouragements and compliments, Nando
    PS: interesting bag for the tools ;)
  8. Nando

    Nando Designer Extraordinaire

    More about thickness.
    The windshields are thick and double in the Orbiter.
    This is given for the different challenges the interior and exterior part have to withstand.
    The interior have to maintain the pressure and the temperature that the astronauts need.
    The exteriors need to withstand the pressure and the heat of the reentry and the shots of the micro-meteorites and space junks.
    In the pics below you can see the difference between the interior (thiner) seal and the exterior one (ticker ).


    Only the rear windows, facing in the payload bay, are simple (thiner) because they haven't to face the reentry challenge.


    Here you can read that "In 54 missions from STS-50 through STS-114, space junk and meteoroids hit the Shuttle’s windows 1,634 times necessitating 92 window replacements."
    A menace that you haven't to underestimate, and Thales Alenia Space, here in my town, didn't underestimate it with the Cupola.

    Best, Nando :)

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  9. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    Sharp eyes Nando!! I always like when you chime in on a thread as I know good info is coming. I was trying to stress the thickness. Those foil looking sheets are for X-Rays, and other types of rays that could seriously injure the crew. The thickness of the glass has almost been compromised by some pretty hard hits. It's this thickness which will allow for a very solid model to be build, and give it the "meaty" look it deserves. :)
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  10. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Note: this post lacks its images due to temporary site problems. As soon as possible I'll edit it to add the figures. I hope you can equally understand my questions...

    Edit - 02 august: finally I've managed to upload pictures... now I wait for your feedback!

    Thanks @zathros and @Nando beautiful images! I didn't see any of them before.
    Especially the first one with the coupling of cabin and external structure is very close to the operation that I'm planning to do with my actual model.
    In the close up images of the front windows is evident the existence of two concentric hulls as the inner windows edges doesn't match with the outer.

    Now I have a question for you shuttle experts:

    those pieces, simple quadrangolar panels, provided with the original model
    are clearly supposed to reproduce this particular object
    I cannot figure what is the exact appearance of this thing seen from inside.

    Is the same object as this sort of curtain?
    So this is a soft tissue curtain (as it seems to be from inside) or a hard, rigid panel (as it seems to be from outside)? Or a combination of both? Or the objects I'm referring to are two different and distinct things?

    One more request: do any of you have a good Shuttle diagram or blueprint with a detailed cross section in longitudinal direction? (in anatomy we should say "sagittal section") to start defining a good "cutting plane" for my flight deck model? (I want to set a cutting plane just under the cabin floor and see where it encounters the external "nose" surface...)
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  11. Nando

    Nando Designer Extraordinaire

    It's hard to understand what you are referring without pictures!
    But about "sagittal section", here You can buy a cheap "Space Shuttle drawings set".


    It's difficult to see details, but I think that the original could be useful.
    Best, Nando :)
  12. Nando

    Nando Designer Extraordinaire

    Here a lot of original NASA drawings from the "Shuttle Operational Data Book".
    Someone could be useful, all are interesting.
    Best, Nando :)
  13. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    :D I know! I hope the upload malfunction will be fixed soon...

    Got it! Absolutely worth the expense!

    Thanks again Nando! YOU are THE reference!!! :)
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  14. Revell-Fan

    Revell-Fan Co-Administrator Administrator

    This is fantastic!!! :)
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  15. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Eventually added photos in my previous post #30...
    Now, @Nando (and any shuttle expert reading) can you tell me more? ;)
  16. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    Some pics I have for you.

    SHU-1.jpg SHU-2.jpg
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  17. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    The framing was made from Beryllium, a thing that has ruined my lungs!

    Let me know if these two .pdf's will help. :)

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  18. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    Some more:

    orbiter_dims.gif STS_cockpit04.jpg
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  19. Tonino

    Tonino Member

    Thanks @zathros , very nice reference material. All the images can be very useful, although I've already seen some of them as they are included in the "Shuttle Operational Data Book" linked by @Nando in the post #32 above.
    But the last one, particularly, is very, VERY interesting! That is exactly the section I was searching for. It clearly shows that a line running under the flight deck floor intercepts the avionics bulkhead in its very upper edge. So, after all, my first sketch can be very close to what the finished model will be actually. Where is this drawing from? Do you have any other picture from this source?
  20. zathros

    zathros SENIOR Administrator

    I can't remember where I got that, but this .pdf, "28-a" shows the wire bus. The computer housing for the shuttle is a structural piece, not some case like a home P.C. Everything must be able to be accessed from the inside. If you look at this pic closely , you will see the bus termination points, and where they hook up to the computer/control system, and you will see that not onl does that floor line go through, but it is structurally attached the computer housing, which is probably at least an inch thick, and this forms the structural section of those nose. The floor framing, the cabin bulkheads, all of these end up with their center structure connected to the computer case structure. The neck bone is connected to the head bone, and so on.........:)

    .pdf 2-2e" shows this even better. You should be able to scale the one drawing over the other and see what I mean, like this (the pics don't line up perfectly, but that is not necessary to show the relation o the circuit bus through the nose section terminating to the computer. The curves let you know where the solid areas are, everything must be accessible from the inside):

    N1.jpg N2.jpg N3.jpg

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