The old 32 to 40 foot wood and steel reefers

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Here is a disrespected car. Once flashing brilliant colors. Adorned with remarkable eye-catching artwork of many colors. They brought brightness and interest to the basic group of rail cars forming a train. Missing today from modern rails is this type of car. Trying to watch a train of three-level car carriers go by is a boring experience as compared to what was. The government in its need to do whatever it did, and for reasons, to me at this time makes no sense at all. Ended a very interesting era.
Post photos here of you favorite reefers.



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Well, I think the metal reefers are insulated better, therefore keeping the load cold longer. But their looks would improve dramatically with these paint schemes.
 

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reefer Clicquot Club NADX 1506 9 24 06 061.jpg reefer Jelke URTCo.10805 Goodluck Margine 9 24 06 050.jpg Zelda

Zelda : You are very proficent in your analization of reefers. Now I think my approach to reefers was---different. I like the colors. I'm a model railroader. I realy don't care how cold they get, only how nice they look when I run them. I guess that is the little kid in me. Not very prototypical!
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PS I can't pass up another chance to put another picture in.Here's two more. Still in their boxs. Also one of the other photos was of s steel 40' reefer.
 
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Here are all of mine, assembled earlier this summer for a family photo.

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Billboard type reefers were banned before WW2 basically because it was felt that the shipper was subsidizing the advertiser. E.g. If you were ABC Meat Co., would you want your meat shipped in a reefer carrying the name of XYZ Meat Co.?

Wood construction was replaced by steel as per "advancements" in most other types of rolling stock (e.g. box cars, wood sided gons, or composite hoppers), and eventually ice was replaced by mechanical refrigeration. Certainly there were improvements in insulation materials and methods as well, but the three advancements were not in lock-step.

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Billboard type reefers were banned before WW2 basically because it was felt that the shipper was subsidizing the advertiser. E.g. If you were ABC Meat Co., would you want your meat shipped in a reefer carrying the name of XYZ Meat Co.?

Wood construction was replaced by steel as per "advancements" in most other types of rolling stock (e.g. box cars, wood sided gons, or composite hoppers), and eventually ice was replaced by mechanical refrigeration. Certainly there were improvements in insulation materials and methods as well, but the three advancements were not in lock-step.

Andrew

You make it sound like ABC didn't have the right to place their own advertisement on the cars they use. They did ! ABC could have leased their own cars with their name on them. They could buy their own cars! You can bet they paid less to ship in someone elses car. It's like telling someone they could not advertise on a billboard along a highway because it was outside a city where a competitor was located.
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Billboard reefers

So now our governments sell "Naming Rights" to stadiums, event centers and even to events. Case in point: NFL Cardinals didn't like playing in a 'college' stadium :cry: so they had 'governments' build them a new stadium and the 'governments' then sold the naming rights to "University of Phoenix." I think that is sort of payback. wall1

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Billboard Reefers

I am a proud owner of some unusual Train Minature billboard cars. I loved the paint and workmanship of their cars and its too bad they went out of production early on. Certainly the cars were not as tall as Athearn and Roundhouse cars, so they looked a bit undersized in comparison. I suspect that they are not exactly scaled down correctly. Maybe that brought about their demise.

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:thumb:I found an east bound out of Scranton full of them, with f-3's+an rs-1 on the point and dr441500's to help with the braking.:eek:
 

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ed acosta

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Doctorwayne, thanks for sharing those very realistic photos. I love the light, but effective weathering jobs. One of these days I hope to gather enough courage to try a little weathering.

I suppose I was a bit harsh on Train Miniatures. As I mentioned earlier, I prize my limited collection of Train Miniature cars. Certainly these older wooden reefers were shorter in comparison to later built reefers, but I do feel that the steel reefer and box cars which they produce were a bit too short. Perhaps you can visually judge the height of the following box cars and see for yourself. The trucks are standard HO scale sprung trucks which appear almost gargantuan underneath these cars.
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DoctorWayne,
Thanks for the photos. I suppose there are a few Train Miniature cars that are not quite up to correct height. There is some justification: I recall the olden days of wooden box cars and recall that while watching a freight train go by, there were noticeable differences in height between cars. In later years the height of cars seems to have become more uniform. But there are marked height differences between some Train Miniature cars and those produced by other kit manufacturers. When running trains, I try not to mix those that are too short with those that are tall. Here is a comparison of T-M with an older Athearn box.
-Ed

BTW, I found this website for Train Miniature beer car collectors: http://www.hobeercars.com/manufacturers/tm.html

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Just for general info, what the ICC banned as far as bill boards were concerned was that the bill board had to advertise only what was carried in the car. The result was that the railroads no longer could put advertising on the cars because they used the reefers for all sorts of loads and for different customers. After the ban was put in place, the only bill board refers still operating were the meat packer's reefers because they were all privately owned.

As far as lengths of the cars were concerned, the meat packers used 36 foot cars exclusively right up until they quit shipping by rail. Their warehouses and packing house loading docks were originally built to fit the door spacing of 36 foot cars, and they were not willing to rebuild facilities to fit bigger cars. The result was that even in the late 1950's or early 1960's when they were running all metal reefers, they were still 36 footers.
 

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Just for general info, what the ICC banned as far as bill boards were concerned was that the bill board had to advertise only what was carried in the car. The result was that the railroads no longer could put advertising on the cars because they used the reefers for all sorts of loads and for different customers. After the ban was put in place, the only bill board refers still operating were the meat packer's reefers because they were all privately owned.

It's amazing how this myth continues on that the railroads leased out advertising space on their cars. wall1 It basically comes from a misunderstanding of how cars were owned or leased.

100+ years ago the cars were owned by the railroad, and leased to the company that wanted to use it. That's why you find pics of old cars with both the railroad's name and the company's name on it. The company is the lessee, they didn't just pay to put their ad on the side of the car. They were called Billboard reefers because they used big lettering on the side, like a billboard sign, not because they were paid advertisements like billboard signs.

Later the government (I believe during Theodore Roosevelt's administration) ruled that the railroads had a monopoly re refrigerator cars, so the railroads set-up related but technically separate companies. Some were owned by several railroads, like Fruit Growers Express or Pacific Fruit Express, some worked with just one railroad like Burlington Refrigerator Express (CB&Q), Western Fruit Express (GN) etc.

BTW leased cars can be spotted by their reporting marks which always end in "X". BREX doesn't mean Burlington Refrigerator EXpress, the BRE is the company name and the X indicates it's a leased car.

Anyway, the problem the railroads got into is they would get a call to deliver a reefer to ABC packing co., and the first one they had iced up and ready to go was lettered for XYZ co. ABC packing would refuse to use the car, not wanting to pay to send a car across country as a rolling advertisement for their competitor. So, the RR would have to go get another car.

The ICC ruling in the 1930's said lettering on cars not used in captive service could only be so large (IIRC something like 16" high letters?) and couldn't have big graphic etc., and that the cars then had to be accepted as interchange by any company...ABC packing couldn't refuse an XYZ co. car, or if they did, they had to reimburse the RR or some such deal.

So I know some folks like to think about that evil "gubmint" restricting business and all that, but really the rule against billboard cars was more a case of government regulation helping an industry (the railroads). :mrgreen:
 

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Two of my favorite and oldest reefers, I hope sometime this winter to finish them and eleven others off this winter and run a string of them at local train shows. They are Strombecker paper and wood kits from the late 40s early 50s...and yes, I plan to use truck mounted Mantua hook/loops for the whole train:thumb:

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Not quite HO...and only the sides since I don't have a crisp picture of the assembled car...

I have a hard time thinking of reefers without thinking of Tiffanys....especially the South Park's Tiffanys.
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There is a wonderful photo on page 276 of John H. White's American Railroad Freight Car...it shows an 8-wheeler pulling a string of Tiffany cars...every car is a slightly different color...which reflects nicely on the classic debate of what color the DSP&P cars were: white, straw yellow, or mint green.

The Rio Grande also had a really interesting car I've seen one photo of...it isn't a reefer, possibly a ventilated boxcar, advertising that it is a fruit car. It looks like a J&S 26' Boxcar.
 

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The Southern Pacific Overnight Merchandise Service

On this old wood car the black and yellow lettered Winged SP stands out.
 
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IGA Steel reefer URTCO.16817 Independent Grocers Alliance, Good Food Stores.

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IGA Steel wood URTCO.16803 Independent Grocers Alliance, Good Food Stores
Here are Train Miniatures 40' wood and steel IGA reefers. The Independent Grocers Alliance Reefers.
 
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I push it back and forth in the box and go cho cho. Just like I did when you were little Steve.
 
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