How to determine any value for Twenty Pence 1982, 1983, 1989 coins. England.

1.
What value could Twenty Pence 1982, 1983, 1989 circulated coins have
a. in England?...
b. or in the USA ?...
c. or for collectors?...

2.
The edge of a Twenty Pence coin has 7 flattened sides or if you folks
out there would, please let me know the correct expert terminology to
describe the 7 flattened sections of the edge...

3.
Where could the Twenty Pence coins be used ?

4.
Are the Twenty Pence coins not generally used anymore because of
European Union coins?

5.
At what exact links, URLs around the web would there be information
about these particular questions?...
in addition to http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec20.html

<dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu> wrote:

> 2.
> The edge of a Twenty Pence coin has 7 flattened sides or if you folks
> out there would, please let me know the correct expert terminology to
> describe the 7 flattened sections of the edge...

Hm, I would call them "seven-sided", or (since something that has seven
sides is a heptagon) one could also say "heptagonal".

> 3.
> Where could the Twenty Pence coins be used ?

They could and can be used throughout the UK. And while Guernsey,
Jersey, the Isle of Man, etc. have their own pound and pence coins, the
British 20p coin will be accepted there too.

> 4.
> Are the Twenty Pence coins not generally used anymore because of
> European Union coins?

The euro and cent coins are used only in those countries that adopted
the euro as their currency - twelve EU member states plus a few other
countries. The UK is not part of that currency union - see 3 above

Christian

dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu wrote:
>
> 1.
> What value could Twenty Pence 1982, 1983, 1989 circulated coins have
> a. in England?...
> b. or in the USA ?...
> c. or for collectors?...

They are worth face value only in the UK and elsewhere, probably.

I'm not aware of any great demand in the UK for decimal coins, most
collectors like the older coins as they are much more attractive and
bigger.

>
> 2.
> The edge of a Twenty Pence coin has 7 flattened sides or if you folks
> out there would, please let me know the correct expert terminology to
> describe the 7 flattened sections of the edge...
>
> 3.
> Where could the Twenty Pence coins be used ?

In the UK.


>
> 4.
> Are the Twenty Pence coins not generally used anymore because of
> European Union coins?

They are still in use in the UK as the UK does not use the euro, yet.
Billy

>
> 5.
> At what exact links, URLs around the web would there be information
> about these particular questions?...
> in addition to http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dec20.html

> They are still in use in the UK as the UK does not use the euro,
>yet.
> Billy


Or ever, hopefully!

Sylvester.

Decimalisation was such a bad thing...

I'm not that keen on it but I think it's inevitable. Billy

aristocracism@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > They are still in use in the UK as the UK does not use the euro,
> >yet.
> > Billy
>
> Or ever, hopefully!
>
> Sylvester.
>
> Decimalisation was such a bad thing...

note.boy <note.boy@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:

> I'm not that keen on it but I think it's inevitable.

Hmm, politically I do not care whether the UK joins Euroland or not, but
I don't really see a majority for it either. For euro collectors,
however, it would be a disaster since areas such as Jersey or the ...
shudder ... IoM would then switch too. Having to deal with Monaco, San
Marino and the Vatican is hard enough

Christian

On 8-May-2005, "note.boy" <note.boy@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:

> I'm not that keen on it but I think it's inevitable. Billy

slightly tangential question: Why are UKers not keen on the Euro? I have
never heard anyone from the UK expouse a pro-euro position. Is this
nationalism? Is it a fear of removing responsibility for the soundness of
the currency from nationally accountable bureaucrats to international,
unaccountable bureaucrats? Is it something else?

Historically, I would have opposed giving up the dollar in favor of the euro
for reason 2, but I have come to believe that this may actually be a benefit
of the euro in the long term. Fed directors are presidential appointees,
and therefore subject to political winds which may taint their decisions in
favor of unsound but politically expedient actions. I would believe the
same dynamics would exist in the central bank of the UK, though I am not
familiar with the specifics there. Due to their being so far removed from
accountability to any one nation or people, I would guess that the Euro-folk
would be less susceptible to such forces and therefore would be likely to
create a more sound currency in the long term.

What are your thoughts?


p

> Why are UKers not keen on the Euro?

Go back to around 1990 and you'd have found quite a pro-European trend in
the UK. Despite Mrs Thatcher's reservations, Chancellor John Major took the
UK into the ERM (Exchange Rate Mechanism), the preliminary to currency union
and the Euro, whereby members had to keep their currencies within a limited
value-range to each other. Unfortunately, the UK was suffering a nasty
recession in the early 1990s, and we had to keep our interest rates
painfully high to keep Sterling in the ERM. This exacerbated the recession
severely. Sometime in 1992 (by which time John Major had become Prime
Minister) we could maintain the value of Sterling no longer and had to leave
the ERM. That day is known here in politics as "Black Wednesday".

People here still remember the pain (in terms of unemployment) and
humiliation of that experiment. At the time, a certain Herr Poehl of the
Bundesbank had made repeated indiscreet and unhelpful remarks about UK
membership of the ERM, and ultimately the other members offered no support
to sterling during the crisis.

After Black Wednesday, the UK was able to reduce its interest rates, and
recovery came fairly quickly. Since then our economic standing in the world
has improved markedly. The UK is prosperous and unemployment is low - in
contrast to many of our European neighbours, France and Germany in
particular. The strong Euro is having a particularly deflationary effect in
Germany, which must accept Euro interest rates that are about 2 percent too
high for the economy. As far as I'm concerned, small is beautiful in terms
of currency control, and I value our UK sovereignty too. The Euro too is
subject to politics - the politics of the most powerful members, e.g. France
and Germany - but then nobody's system is perfect.

We Brits are much more cosmopolitan these days, and most of us have
continental friends. However, we retain a certain sense of apartness
stemming from our geographical situation as an island nation. Above all,
though, we are a pragmatic nation and think that if the pound ain't broke,
don't fix it! However, if it could be truly demonstrated that we'd be
considerably richer if we adopted the Euro, then the pound would be quickly
ditched and few people would mourn it - Queen's head or no.

As it is, Sterling is in rude health, as is the economy - for now. Even if
and when this changes, I still favour a national currency, so that interest
rates can be wisely tweaked to suit our economy. I can imagine a day when
each continent has its own currency union, then one day each currency area
goes into recession at roughly the same time. How scary would that be?
Diversity, not uniformity, of economic conditions and cycles, is what a
healthy world economy needs.

Jeff.

The variety found with Scottish notes would be lost if replaced with a
single design for each denomination euro notes.

That's my reason but as a collector of Scottish notes I may be bias.
Billy


Papito wrote:
>
> On 8-May-2005, "note.boy" <note.boy@naespamntlworld.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm not that keen on it but I think it's inevitable. Billy
>
> slightly tangential question: Why are UKers not keen on the Euro? I have
> never heard anyone from the UK expouse a pro-euro position. Is this
> nationalism? Is it a fear of removing responsibility for the soundness of
> the currency from nationally accountable bureaucrats to international,
> unaccountable bureaucrats? Is it something else?
>
> Historically, I would have opposed giving up the dollar in favor of the euro
> for reason 2, but I have come to believe that this may actually be a benefit
> of the euro in the long term. Fed directors are presidential appointees,
> and therefore subject to political winds which may taint their decisions in
> favor of unsound but politically expedient actions. I would believe the
> same dynamics would exist in the central bank of the UK, though I am not
> familiar with the specifics there. Due to their being so far removed from
> accountability to any one nation or people, I would guess that the Euro-folk
> would be less susceptible to such forces and therefore would be likely to
> create a more sound currency in the long term.
>
> What are your thoughts?
>
> p